# News Another government shutdown?

1. Sep 21, 2013

### Staff: Mentor

http://news.yahoo.com/house-sends-g...nate-without-obamacare-funding-145746956.html

I experienced the government shutdown of 1995 and 1996, and watched a company in demise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_1995_and_1996

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2. Sep 21, 2013

### Borg

Yay, the circus is in town!

According to NBC last night, they have tried defunding Obamacare 41 times and shutting down will cost 100 million per day. But hey, gotta stand up for your principles 42 times right? I wonder if it would be possible to defund congress.

3. Sep 22, 2013

### BobG

No - at least not completely. Doing so would violate the 27th Amendment.

It would be possible to defund Congressional staffs, stop paying the gas and electric bills, etc, which would make things very unpleasant for Congressmen.

But the Senators and Representatives would still have to be paid.

4. Sep 22, 2013

### dlgoff

5. Sep 23, 2013

### Mk

6. Sep 24, 2013

### FlexGunship

How come the government never shuts down around tax collection time? Is the IRS the only non-shut-downable governmental entity? Maybe that's a really ignorant thing to say, I don't know.

Maybe we could just take a break from the legislative branch for a year and see how it goes. You know, let congress close the doors. The president can keep filling his role and the courts can keep operating. Keep the same budget from the previous year (or maybe the one from 2000... see the chart below, two Republican chambers and a Democrat president) and keep all of the laws the same for one year. Just coast.

I dunno, I guess it's stupid. Just tired of hearing "we're going to shut down the government!" Fine, just keep it isolated to your branch. Turn the lights off when you leave and leave the checkbook on the counter.

http://figures.boundless.com/50b3cf83e4b0c605c0eaeb64/full/budget-deficit-or-surplus.gif

7. Sep 24, 2013

### Staff: Mentor

8. Sep 24, 2013

### FlexGunship

The goal was to pick an arbitrary budget (the one from 2000, for example) and just use that in place of the budget jockeying that's threatening to "shut down" the government. In the text above the graphic I pointed out that there is a vague similarity in the gross politics (we have only one Republican chamber as opposed to two in 2000).

It's a bit tongue-in-cheek.

Was the correlation not clear?

Essentially, the mock conversation goes: "we can't agree on this, so we'll just let the government shut down." "Okay, fine, but we're just shutting down your branch. Since you're not here to do the job, leave the checkbook and we'll just use the budget from 2000."

9. Sep 24, 2013

### AlephZero

Why 2000? Isn't the Only True Solution For Every Problem "do the same as we did in 1776"?

10. Sep 24, 2013

### Office_Shredder

Staff Emeritus
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205

As a percent of total gdp government revenue was higher in 2000 than it has ever been since. We were in the tail end of a bubble and had a higher tax rate so it seemed like a really good year compared to the 2000s, but that has nothing to do with the budget being better.

11. Sep 25, 2013

### Staff: Mentor

Seems an odd cherry-pick and an out-of-date and not very useful chart. In addition to being fools-gold: the balanced budget was an illusion and a reflection of the cause of the mess we're in right now. We can't match that budget unless the economy matched those conditions, neither of which are really desirable.
Right. And in $terms and in % of GDP, spending is much higher today than it was in 2000 but income was higher in 2000 as a fraction of GDP (but not actual$).

12. Sep 27, 2013

### BobG

Isn't this what a certain faction of the House is trying to do? Better to have government shut down than pass a budget that a minority of Americans disapprove of?

13. Sep 30, 2013

### ramsey2879

Whether or not a majority of Americans favor the current budget, it appears that a majority of Americans would rather see the Senate continuing resolution passed than to have a government shutdown, but the House will not let such a bill come up for vote since a majority of Republicans opposed it.

14. Sep 30, 2013

### SW VandeCarr

Yes. I believe the Senate bill (funding the government with no action on Affordable Care) would probably pass on a roll call vote but the ability of the Speaker to not allow a vote could again frustrate the democratic process. The so called "majority of a majority" is not necessarily a majority of the elected members of the House.

EDIT: Currently there are 234 Republicans and 201 Democrats (including one "socialist") in the House, so assuming all Democrats vote for the bill, 17 Republicans would need to cross over to pass the bill.

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15. Sep 30, 2013

### jhae2.718

NASA potentially goes on furlough tomorrow, excepting essential operations. :(

16. Sep 30, 2013

### Greg Bernhardt

I think this is an appropriate image

17. Sep 30, 2013

### Office_Shredder

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18. Oct 1, 2013

### StevieTNZ

I wonder what effect this shutdown will have on the markets tomorrow....

19. Oct 1, 2013

### Office_Shredder

Staff Emeritus
Hah! The first thing I wondered is how many of our esteemed congressmen went short on the market this afternoon.

20. Oct 1, 2013