Another kinematics problem solved at the last second

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The problem involves two balls, one dropped from a height and the other thrown upwards, with a specific condition regarding their speeds at the moment of collision. The goal is to determine the fraction of the building's height at which the collision occurs.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equations of motion for both balls and equate their positions at the time of collision. They explore the relationship between their speeds and the height of the building.

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The discussion reflects a progression of thought from initial confusion to a realization of the solution. Some participants express appreciation for the original poster's effort, while others engage in light banter about the nature of mathematics and problem-solving.

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I am [make that: WAS] having difficulties solving Problem 87 from Chapter 2 of Physics for Scientists and Engineers by Paul A. Tipler, 4th edition. The statement of the problem is as follows:

Ball A is dropped from the top of a building at the same instant that ball B is thrown vertically upward from the ground. When the balls collide, they are moving in opposite directions, and the speed of A is twice the speed of B. At what fraction of the height of the building does the collision occur?

My incomplete [<Ahem> Make that: COMPLETE] attempt at a solution goes as follows:

We denote the height of the building as h, the position of ball A as yA, the initial position of ball A as yA0, and analogously for ball B.

The equation of motion for ball A is the following:
yA - yA0 = vA0t - (0.5)gt2
yA0 = h
vA0 = 0
g = 9.81 m/s2
Therefore, yA = -(0.5)(9.81 m/s2)t2 + h
=> yA = -4.905t2 + h


The equation of motion for ball B is the following:
yB - yB0 = vB0t - (0.5)gt2
yB0 = 0
g = 9.81 m/s2
Therefore, yB = vB0t - (0.5)(9.81 m/s2)t2
=> yB = vB0t - 4.905t2


The two balls collide when yA = yB:

yA = yB => -4.905t2 + h = vB0t - 4.905t2
=> h = vB0t


For ball A:
vA = vA0 - gt
vA0 = 0
Therefore, vA = - gt => vA = -9.81t

For ball B:
vB = vB0 - gt
Therefore, vB = vB0 - gt => vB = vB0 - 9.81t

We also know that when yA = yB, vA = -2vB:

vA = -2vB => -9.81t = -2[vB0 - 9.81t]
=> -9.81t = -2vB0 + 19.62t
=> 2vB0 = 29.43t
=> vB0 = 14.715t


Since h = vB0t, we have:

h = (14.715t)t = 14.715t2

Unfortunately, I couldn't figure out what to do from this point until I spent the better part of the last hour typing this thread. Then, as I was typing the previous sentence, it hit me:

xA = -4.905t2 + h = -4.905t2 + 14.715t2
=> xA = 9.81t2


Therefore, xA / h = 9.81t2 / (14.715t2)
=> xA / h = 2/3
=> xA = 2h/3
, which is the answer given in the back of the book.

I've decided to post this thread anyway, partly because someone else might benefit from seeing it, and partly because I spent nearly an hour typing it. :cry:

This also reminds me of a post by Clausius2 in a previous thread I had posted:

Clausius2 said:
Maybe the time you have spent writing such [an elaborate] thread you could have re-written your solution of the problem, and surely you would find the error. :wink:

I don't think this would have worked the last time, but it certainly worked here! :smile: :biggrin:

Oh brother ... Good night, everyone! :zzz:
 
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Nice work, who says maths isn't rewarding?
 
who says maths isn't rewarding?


That would be me. :wink:
 
Hey, I know this threads yonks old, but just wondering, does anyone know where the poster got the very final bit from:

Therefore, xA / h = 9.81t2 / (14.715t2)
=> xA / h = 2/3
=> xA = 2h/3, which is the answer given in the back of the book.

Thanks :)

Edit: Isn't it strange how you see it once you've posted the question haha! Thanks anyway, problem solved.
 

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