Answer: Properties of A Ring: I, II, & III True?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a ring where each element satisfies the condition \( s = s^2 \). Participants are examining three specific properties to determine their validity within this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the condition \( s = s^2 \) and question how it leads to the conclusion that \( s + s = 0 \) for all \( s \). There is also discussion on whether properties I, II, and III imply one another, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the validity of properties I and II.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the properties. Some participants have expressed clarity on property II, while others remain skeptical about properties I and III. The conversation indicates that multiple interpretations are being considered without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and identities that must hold within a ring, particularly regarding additive inverses and the implications of the given property. There is a recognition that the existence of certain elements, such as \(-s\), is essential to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


If [tex]s[/tex] is a ring with the property that [tex]s=s^{2}[/tex] for each
[tex]s\in S[/tex], which of the following must be true?

I. s + s = 0 for each s in S.

II. [tex](s+t)^{2}=s^{2}+t^{2}[/tex] for each s,t in S.

III. S is commutative

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The answer is I, II, and III. I understand why III is true, but not the other two. How can s + s = 0 for all s?!? In fact, I don't see how this can be a ring at all, since there don't appear to be any additive inverses in the set.

For II, I tried this:
[tex](s+t)^{2}=(s^{2}+t^{2})^{2}[/tex], which is only equal to [tex]s^{2}+t^{2}[/tex] when both s and t are the additive identity element.
 
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s is its own additive inverse if s + s = 0. Do any of those properties imply each other (two of them together imply a third one.)?
 
deluks917 said:
s is its own additive inverse if s + s = 0. Do any of those properties imply each other (two of them together imply a third one.)?

I don't see how one would figure that s + s = 0, though. As far as my understanding goes, only III is true.
 
darkchild said:
I don't see how one would figure that s + s = 0, though. As far as my understanding goes, only III is true.

(-s)^2=s^2.
 
I hate to say it, but II is immediately obvious from the form of the equation and the identity satisfied by elements of the ring.
 
Dick said:
(-s)^2=s^2.

Yes, but that doesn't imply that s=-s, right?
 
darkchild said:
Yes, but that doesn't imply that s=-s, right?
What identity does this ring satisfy?
 
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Homework Statement


If [tex]s[/tex] is a ring with the property that [tex]s=s^{2}[/tex] for each
[tex]s\in S[/tex], which of the following must be true?

I. s + s = 0 for each s in S.

II. [tex](s+t)^{2}=s^{2}+t^{2}[/tex] for each s,t in S.

III. S is commutative

I:[tex](s+s)^{2}=s + s = 4s^2 = 4s[/tex]

II: [tex](s+t)^{2}=s+t[/tex]
 
lavinia said:
I:[tex](s+s)^{2}=s + s = 4s^2 = 4s[/tex]

II: [tex](s+t)^{2}=s+t[/tex]

Oh, I see how II works now.
 
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Hurkyl said:
What identity does this ring satisfy?

Ok, I see. -s must be in S by definition of a ring, and
[tex]-s=(-s)^{2}=s^{2}=s[/tex]. Thanks
 

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