Anyone can help with this proof please?

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical proof involving a complex inequality with multiple variables. Participants explore methods for proving the inequality directly or using Mathematica, while addressing the challenges posed by the lengthy expressions involved.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a complex inequality involving variables R, γ, B, and β, seeking hints for a direct proof or guidance on using Mathematica's MinValue function with constraints.
  • Another participant suggests multiplying out the expressions to check for cancellations, though acknowledges the difficulty due to the division in the inequality.
  • A further clarification is made by the original poster, simplifying the expressions into variables A, B, C, and D, while reiterating the goal of proving that A/4B - C/9D > 0 under specified conditions.
  • A participant expresses frustration at the complexity of the expressions and reiterates the suggestion to multiply them out.
  • One participant indicates they have found a solution and requests to delete the question, which prompts a response from another participant advocating for the retention of the discussion for the benefit of others.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to proving the inequality, and there are differing opinions on whether to delete the original question after a perceived solution was found.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the variables and their constraints, which may affect the proof's validity.

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((1+R)〖(-4+R^2)〗^2)/(4〖(6+4R+B^2 R-5R^2-R^3+R^4+B(-2+R+R^2))〗^2 )-((1+γ)〖(-4+γ^2)〗^2)/(9〖(6+4γ+β^2 γ-5γ^2-γ^3+γ^4+β(-2+γ+γ^2))〗^2 )>0, where 0 < γ < R < 1, 0 < β < B < 1.

If you can give me some hints about proving it directly, that will be great. Or, Proving it with Mathematica is also ok. For example, I want to use the MinValue function. If the minimum value of the left is positive, then it is proven. But how to write the input with the constraint? So if you are familiar with Mathematica, please help!

I really appreciate your time and help.
 
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That's an insanely long expression. My best advice would be to multiply everything out and see if you get some kind of cancellation. If that doesn't work, you could try mathematica.
 
Yes it is insanely long. The first part and the second part actually share the same function except that the veriables in the first part are R and B, while in the second part are Beta and r. I cannot just multiply everything because there is a division in both parts. :-(
 
Okay, let me simlify the expression of my question this way:

Let A =(1+R)〖(-4+R^2)〗^2
B =〖(6+4R+B^2 R-5R^2-R^3+R^4+B(R^2+R-2))〗^2
C =(1+γ)〖(-4+γ^2)〗^2)
D =〖(6+4γ+β^2 γ-5γ^2-γ^3+γ^4+β(γ^2+γ-2))〗^2 )
I want to prove that A /4B - C /9D > 0, given 0 < γ < R < 1, 0 < β < B < 1.

Thanks!

gb7nash said:
That's an insanely long expression. My best advice would be to multiply everything out and see if you get some kind of cancellation. If that doesn't work, you could try mathematica.
 
Ok, I have found the solution. Do not know how to delete here. Please help me delete the question. Thanks.
 
Don't delete the question! Why would you do that?

People browse these forums all the time soaking up knowledge. Why would you delete it?
 

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