Arc length: Can't Solve the Integral

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The discussion revolves around finding the exact length of a curve defined by the function y = (x^3/3) + x^2 + x + (1/(4x + 4)) over the interval 0 < x < 2. Participants are exploring the integral setup for calculating arc length and the challenges associated with antidifferentiation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss setting up the integral for arc length and simplifying it. There are attempts to find a common denominator and factor polynomials, with some questioning the simplicity of their expressions. Others express uncertainty about integrating the resulting forms.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to manipulate the integral and simplify expressions. Some participants have offered guidance on factoring and using substitutions, while others express ongoing difficulty with integration. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple approaches are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the extent of assistance they can provide. There is an emphasis on understanding the integral setup and the challenges of antidifferentiation.

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Find the exact length of the curve analytically by antidifferentiation:
y = (x3/3) + x2 + x + (1/(4x +4)) on the interval 0 < x < 2
So I set it up using the length of a curve formula:

L = [tex]\int\sqrt{1+(x^2+2x+1+(\frac{-1}{4(x+1)^2}}[/tex]

And simplified it to
L = [tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{1}{2}+(x+1)^4+\frac{1}{16(x+1)^4}}[/tex]

But I cannot figure out how to antidifferentiate this! Any help is appreciated :)
 
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If you establish a LCD, you obtain another polynomial to the 8th degree. With this polynomial you can call the smaller degree w, then all you need to do is factor. From this, you will have something squared divide by the denominator.
 
Ok, so then when I find an LCD I get:

[tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{8(x+1)^4}{16(x+1)^4}+\frac{16(x+1)^8}{16(x+1)^4}+\frac{1}{16(x+1)^4}}[/tex]

which simplifies to

[tex]\int\frac{4(x+1)^4 +1}{4(x+1)^2}[/tex]

Is this as simple as possible? I'm afraid I still can't integrate this...
 
For example, (4+5)/1 = 4/1 + 5/1. Does that help?
 
swimgirl5892 said:
Ok, so then when I find an LCD I get:

[tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{8(x+1)^4}{16(x+1)^4}+\frac{16(x+1)^8}{16(x+1)^4}+\frac{1}{16(x+1)^4}}[/tex]

which simplifies to

[tex]\int\frac{4(x+1)^4 +1}{4(x+1)^2}[/tex]

Is this as simple as possible? I'm afraid I still can't integrate this...

Doesn't u=x+1 help?
 
I got it! The answer is [tex]\frac{53}{6}[/tex].


Thank you!
 
That is what I obtained too.
 

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