Archimedes Derivation: Law of the lever

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of Archimedes' Law of the lever, specifically focusing on the algebraic formulation presented in a lecture. Participants seek clarification on the mathematical steps involved in deriving the formula and the roles of various weights in the context of torque balance.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests clarification on the derivation of the formula d=w/2w/b-a) as presented in a lecture.
  • Another participant provides a detailed explanation of the torque balance involved, referencing specific time markers in the lecture and outlining the relationships between the variables.
  • There is a question regarding the meaning of the variable W in the context of the formula, specifically its role alongside the weight w of the object on the lever.
  • A subsequent response clarifies that W represents the weight of the beam itself, with portions of W distributed on either side of the balance point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mechanics of torque balance and the roles of the weights involved, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific interpretation of the variables and the derivation process.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of variables and the relationships between them, which are not fully resolved. The derivation steps provided may depend on specific interpretations of the lecture content.

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Hi, I'm watching a talk about Archimedes Law of the lever, and I was wondering: Does anyone know how the formula d=w/2w/b-a) was derived from the lecture drawing at 9.00 min in? The speaker just skips the algebraic derivation.

 
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With "d=w/2w/b-a)" you mean d=W/(2w) (b-a) ?

It's a simple torque balance (see at 8:51).

On the left you have ##d \times w + {a\over 2}\times pW##, on the right ##{b\over 2}\times qW##,

and ##\ \ a = {p\over l}\ \ ## and ## b = {q\over l}\ \ ## so that $$
d \times w = \left ( {b^2 \over 2l} - { a^2 \over 2l} \right ) \times W.
$$Now use ##\ \ b^2-a^2 = (a-b) (a+b) = (a-b)\; l\ \ ## and there you are !
 
BvU said:
With "d=w/2w/b-a)" you mean d=W/(2w) (b-a) ?

It's a simple torque balance (see at 8:51).

On the left you have ##d \times w + {a\over 2}\times pW##, on the right ##{b\over 2}\times qW##,

and ##\ \ a = {p\over l}\ \ ## and ## b = {q\over l}\ \ ## so that $$
d \times w = \left ( {b^2 \over 2l} - { a^2 \over 2l} \right ) \times W.
$$Now use ##\ \ b^2-a^2 = (a-b) (a+b) = (a-b)\; l\ \ ## and there you are !

Thank you very much! There is one more thing i can't seem to understand: I understand that little w is the weight of the object on the lever, but right next to little w there is a big W pointing down (on the left side). What does the big W mean? And what is it doing on the left side?
 
W is the weight of the beam on which the weight small w is resting.
A fraction ##{a\over l}## of W is on the left side, and a fraction ##{b\over l}## of W is to the right of the balance point
 

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