Arclength Problem; stuck on integration

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The discussion revolves around finding the arclength of the parametric curve defined by $$r(t) = <{t}^2/2,{t}^3/3>$$ over the interval from t = -1 to t = 1. Participants are examining the integration process involved in calculating the arclength using the formula $$\int_{-1}^{1}|{r}'(t)|dt$$.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration steps and the resulting expression $$\frac{1}{3}({t^2+1})^\frac{3}{2}$$, noting that evaluating this from t = -1 to t = 1 yields 0, which is questioned as nonsensical for arclength. There are suggestions to re-examine the integration process and the use of u-substitution. Some participants also mention the relationship between the integral and the properties of even functions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance to check integration steps and consider the implications of the function's properties. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several lines of reasoning are being explored, including the need to visualize the function and reconsider the integration limits.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can provide to one another. The original poster expresses confusion over the integration results, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the arclength calculation.

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Homework Statement


Find the arclength of $$r(t) = <{t}^2/2,{t}^3/3>$$ from t=-1 to t=1

Homework Equations



I have used this equation for arclength $$\int_{-1}^{1}|{r}'(t)|dt$$

The Attempt at a Solution



After integrating (using u substitution) I have the solution

$$\frac{1}{3}({t^2+1})^\frac{3}{2}$$ evaluated from t = -1 to t = 1. Of course, this yields 0! Which doesn't make any sense for arclength.

I know that the problem is somewhere in my integration step because in mathematica both the ArcLength[ $$\int_{-1}^{1}|{r}'(t)|dt$$] function and the Integrate[$$\sqrt{t^2+t^4}$$] give the same result $$\frac{2}{3}(-1+2\sqrt{2})$$, which seems to be the solution. What am I doing wrong?
 
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hsbhsb said:

Homework Statement


Find the arclength of $$r(t) = <{t}^2/2,{t}^3/3>$$ from t=-1 to t=1

Homework Equations



I have used this equation for arclength $$\int_{-1}^{1}|{r}'(t)|dt$$

The Attempt at a Solution



After integrating (using u substitution) I have the solution

$$\frac{1}{3}({t^2+1})^\frac{3}{2}$$ evaluated from t = -1 to t = 1. Of course, this yields 0! Which doesn't make any sense for arclength.

I know that the problem is somewhere in my integration step because in mathematica both the ArcLength[ $$\int_{-1}^{1}|{r}'(t)|dt$$] function and the Integrate[$$\sqrt{t^2+t^4}$$] give the same result $$\frac{2}{3}(-1+2\sqrt{2})$$, which seems to be the solution. What am I doing wrong?
You've made some kind of mistake in your original calculation, but you don't provide your work, so the details elude us.

I would go back and carefully check the integration, including any u-subs you made.
 
hsbhsb said:
$$\frac{1}{3}({t^2+1})^\frac{3}{2}$$ evaluated from t = -1 to t = 1. Of course, this yields 0! Which doesn't make any sense for arclength.
I quess you forgot that $$\sqrt{t^2+t^4}=|t|\sqrt{1+t^2}$$.
 
hsbhsb said:

Homework Statement


Find the arclength of $$r(t) = <{t}^2/2,{t}^3/3>$$ from t=-1 to t=1

Homework Equations



I have used this equation for arclength $$\int_{-1}^{1}|{r}'(t)|dt$$

The Attempt at a Solution



After integrating (using u substitution) I have the solution

$$\frac{1}{3}({t^2+1})^\frac{3}{2}$$ evaluated from t = -1 to t = 1. Of course, this yields 0! Which doesn't make any sense for arclength.

I know that the problem is somewhere in my integration step because in mathematica both the ArcLength[ $$\int_{-1}^{1}|{r}'(t)|dt$$] function and the Integrate[$$\sqrt{t^2+t^4}$$] give the same result $$\frac{2}{3}(-1+2\sqrt{2})$$, which seems to be the solution. What am I doing wrong?

You are making a standard error, but rather than telling you exactly what it is I will attempt to lead you do discover it for yourself---that will server you best in the long run.

Draw a graph of ##f(t) = \sqrt{t^2+t^4}## over ##-1 \leq t \leq 1##. Can you see the meaning of the integral ##\int_{-1}^1 f(t) \, dt##?
hsbhsb said:

Homework Statement


Find the arclength of $$r(t) = <{t}^2/2,{t}^3/3>$$ from t=-1 to t=1

Homework Equations



I have used this equation for arclength $$\int_{-1}^{1}|{r}'(t)|dt$$

The Attempt at a Solution



After integrating (using u substitution) I have the solution

$$\frac{1}{3}({t^2+1})^\frac{3}{2}$$ evaluated from t = -1 to t = 1. Of course, this yields 0! Which doesn't make any sense for arclength.

I know that the problem is somewhere in my integration step because in mathematica both the ArcLength[ $$\int_{-1}^{1}|{r}'(t)|dt$$] function and the Integrate[$$\sqrt{t^2+t^4}$$] give the same result $$\frac{2}{3}(-1+2\sqrt{2})$$, which seems to be the solution. What am I doing wrong?

For an even function ##f(t)## we have ##\int_{-a}^a f(t) \, dt = 2 \int_0^a f(t) \, dt##. Using that is the best way to avoid elementary blunders.
 

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