Find arclength of curve; stuck trying to integrate radical

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The discussion revolves around finding the arclength of the curve defined by the equation x = ⅓(y² + 2)^(3/2) over the interval from y=0 to y=1. Participants are exploring the appropriate methods for integrating a radical expression related to this curve.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply u-substitution to simplify the integral for arclength but encounters difficulties in progressing with the integration. They also consider expressing y in terms of x as an alternative approach.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the differentiation performed by the original poster, suggesting a need to verify the algebra involved in the derivative calculation.
  • Others note the potential for a factorizable expression after addressing the differentiation error.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing pointers and feedback on the original poster's differentiation and integration attempts. There is acknowledgment of an error in the differentiation process, which has led to a more promising direction in the exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention constraints related to the original poster's current coursework, specifically that they have not yet covered trigonometric substitution, which limits their methods for solving the integral.

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Homework Statement


Find the arclength of the curve x = ⅓(y2+2)3/2 from y=0 to y=1.

Homework Equations


(Please forgive the crazy definite integral symbols - I'm taking a LaTex class tomorrow so hopefully I'll be able to communicate more clearly from then on..!)

arclength of curve = ∫ab √ (1 + f'(x)2) dx

The Attempt at a Solution


*Note: We haven't covered trig substitution in class yet & so I'm looking for a way to do this using u-substitution or another method.*

This is where I've gotten so far:

dx/dy = y√(y+2) = √(y3 + 2y2)

arclength = ∫01 √(1 + [√(y3 + 2y2)]2) dy
= ∫01 √(1 + y3 + 2y2) dy

Then I get stuck. I've tried the following substitution:
u = 1 + y3 + 2y2
du = 3y2 + 2y

but that doesn't seem to help. I've also tried getting y in terms of x & integrating that but I reach a similar stumbling block with that approach too. Wolfram Alpha gives a nice clean answer of 4/3 which makes me think I'm missing something fairly obvious. Any pointers much appreciated!
 
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Ryaners said:
This is where I've gotten so far:

dx/dy = y√(y+2) = √(y3 + 2y2)

Any pointers much appreciated!

You may want to double check your differentiation.
 
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Ryaners said:

Homework Statement


Find the arclength of the curve x = ⅓(y2+2)3/2 from y=0 to y=1.

Homework Equations


(Please forgive the crazy definite integral symbols - I'm taking a LaTex class tomorrow so hopefully I'll be able to communicate more clearly from then on..!)

arclength of curve = ∫ab √ (1 + f'(x)2) dx

The Attempt at a Solution


*Note: We haven't covered trig substitution in class yet & so I'm looking for a way to do this using u-substitution or another method.*

This is where I've gotten so far:

dx/dy = y√(y+2) = √(y3 + 2y2)

arclength = ∫01 √(1 + [√(y3 + 2y2)]2) dy
= ∫01 √(1 + y3 + 2y2) dy

Then I get stuck. I've tried the following substitution:
u = 1 + y3 + 2y2
du = 3y2 + 2y

but that doesn't seem to help. I've also tried getting y in terms of x & integrating that but I reach a similar stumbling block with that approach too. Wolfram Alpha gives a nice clean answer of 4/3 which makes me think I'm missing something fairly obvious. Any pointers much appreciated!

Your differentiation/arclength formula is incorrect; go back and check your algebra.
 
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Aha! Thank you both for pointing out that error in computing the derivative - getting a nice factorizable expression now :)
 

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