Are Green's functions generally symmetric?

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The discussion centers around the symmetry properties of Green's functions in the context of differential equations, particularly whether Green's functions are generally symmetric or if this property is conditional based on the characteristics of the differential operators involved. The scope includes theoretical considerations and references to mathematical literature.

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  • Some participants note that Green's functions for the Laplace equation are symmetric under the exchange of variables, but question if this holds for all differential equations.
  • One participant argues that Green's functions are not always symmetric and explains that symmetry depends on the relationship between a differential operator and its adjoint, specifically when the operator is self-adjoint and has no complex coefficients.
  • A later reply requests references to literature that discusses Green's functions in the context of adjoint equations, indicating a search for authoritative sources on the topic.
  • Another participant recommends a specific book, "Mathematics for Physicists" by Dennery and Krzywicki, highlighting its treatment of Green's functions and related mathematical concepts.

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Participants express differing views on the symmetry of Green's functions, with no consensus reached on whether this property is universally applicable across all differential equations.

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The discussion reflects varying assumptions about the nature of differential operators and their adjoints, as well as the implications of these properties on the symmetry of Green's functions.

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In case of the Green's functions for the Laplace equation, we know that they're all symmetric under the exchange of primed and un-primed variables. But is it generally true for the Green's functions of all differential equations?
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The Green's function will not always be symmetric.

The Green's function formalism really involves considering two problems,

## \mathbf{L}_\mathbf{x}u = f(\mathbf{x}) ##

and

## \mathbf{L}_\mathbf{x}^{\dagger} v = h(\mathbf{x}) ##,

where ## \mathbf{L_x} ## and its adjoint, ## \mathbf{L}^\dagger_{\mathbf{x}} ##, are differential operators. These operators will satisfy the generalized Green's identity

## \int \left[ v^{*} \mathbf{L_x} u - u \left( \mathbf{L}^{\dagger}_{\mathbf{x}}v \right)^{*} \right] d^3 x = ## term that vanishes only if ## \mathbf{L_x} = \mathbf{L}_\mathbf{x}^{\dagger} ##.

Let's assume that ## \mathbf{L_x} = \mathbf{L}_\mathbf{x}^{\dagger} ##, so that the right hand side really does vanish. Corresponding to the two problems we are trying to solve, there will be two different Green's functions, ## G(\mathbf{x},\mathbf{y}) ## and ## g(\mathbf{x},\mathbf{y}') ## that satisfy

## \mathbf{L}_\mathbf{x}G = \delta(\mathbf{x}-\mathbf{y}) ##

and

## \mathbf{L}_\mathbf{x}^{\dagger} g = \delta(\mathbf{x}-\mathbf{y}') ##.

If we set ## u = G(\mathbf{x},\mathbf{y}) ##, ## v = g(\mathbf{x},\mathbf{y}') ##, and put these into Green's identity (keeping the above two equations in mind), we get

## \int \left[ g^{*} \mathbf{L_x}G(\mathbf{x},\mathbf{y}) - G(\mathbf{x},\mathbf{y})\left( \mathbf{L}^{\dagger}_{\mathbf{x}}g(\mathbf{x},\mathbf{y}') \right)^{*} \right] d^3 x = \int \left[ g^{*}(\mathbf{x},\mathbf{y}') \delta(\mathbf{x}-\mathbf{y}) - G(\mathbf{x},\mathbf{y}) \delta(\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{y}') \right] d^3 x = 0##.

Evaluating the integral in the last equality gives

## g^{*}(\mathbf{y},\mathbf{y}')-G(\mathbf{y}',\mathbf{y}) = 0 ##,

so that

## g^{*}(\mathbf{y},\mathbf{y}') = G(\mathbf{y}',\mathbf{y}) ##.

Because we have assumed that ## \mathbf{L_x} = \mathbf{L}_\mathbf{x}^{\dagger} ##, we really have ## g(\mathbf{y},\mathbf{y}') = G(\mathbf{y},\mathbf{y}') ##, so that

## G^{*}(\mathbf{y},\mathbf{y}') = G(\mathbf{y}',\mathbf{y}) ##.

Finally, if the differential equations do not involve any complex coefficients, the complex conjugation will not change anything, and we will have

## G(\mathbf{y},\mathbf{y}') = G(\mathbf{y}',\mathbf{y}) ##.

So only if the differential operator ## \mathbf{L}_{\mathbf{x}} ## is equal to its own adjoint and has no complex coefficients will the Green's function be symmetric. On the other hand, this is the case in a wide variety of circumstances.
 
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Can you point to a book that treats Green's functions this way? I've seen Sadri-Hassani's but he considers equations with real coefficients and also doesn't consider the adjoint equation.
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I really like the way Dennery and Krzywicki talk about Green's functions in their book, Mathematics for Physicists. Also the first two chapters, on complex analysis and linear algebra, are wonderful.
 
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