Are the Red Terms Equal to Zero in This Cross Product Problem?

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The discussion focuses on the relationship between angular momentum and torque in the context of a cross product problem. Participants debate whether certain terms in the equations can be considered equal to zero, particularly questioning the parallel nature of vectors involved. Clarifications are made regarding the implications of parallel vectors on angular momentum, emphasizing that parallelism does not necessarily lead to zero cross products. The conversation highlights the importance of reassessing assumptions about vector relationships in physics. Ultimately, the conclusion reinforces that changing the coordinate system does not alter the forces acting on an object.
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Background: we're trying to show that the rate of change of angular momentum of an object about its center of mass (position given by R) is equal to the total torque about R.

Why are the terms in red equal to 0? If anything, shouldn't the terms circled in in blue be equal to zero since the vectors R and ai are parallel and ri` and ai` are parallel?

Thank you!
 

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What would it mean if, as you say, the acceleration of each individual particle were parallel to \vec R?
 
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Then there is no angular momentum and only linear momentum?

EDIT: actually i made an error with my question. the new image is attached.
If ri` and ai` are parallel, shouldn't the cross-product be 0? So in the last line, the Ʃ miri` × A would be left instead?
 

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sparkle123 said:
Then there is no angular momentum and only linear momentum?
No. Reexamine your assumption.

EDIT: actually i made an error with my question. the new image is attached.
If ri` and ai` are parallel, shouldn't the cross-product be 0?
Why do you think they are parallel?
 
tms said:
No. Reexamine your assumption.Why do you think they are parallel?

Isn't a the double derivative of r (so they are parallel)?
Thanks again!
 
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That doesn't mean they must be parallel. If it did, it would mean that you could change the forces on an object just by moving the origin of the coordinate system.
 
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