Are there any physical implications of working with unbounded operators in QM?

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The discussion centers on the physical implications of working with unbounded operators in quantum mechanics (QM). Participants explore whether unboundedness is a necessary feature of certain physical quantities and the potential consequences of assuming bounded versus unbounded operators in the mathematical framework of QM.

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  • Some participants assert that unbounded operators are crucial in QM, particularly for representing observables like position, momentum, and energy, which they argue may be unbounded in principle.
  • One participant suggests that if all operators were bounded, it would imply that all experimental outcomes are also bounded, raising questions about the physical reality of such limitations.
  • Another participant counters that the assumption of unboundedness is not necessarily based on experimental evidence but rather on the simplicity it brings to calculations, suggesting that boundedness could be a possibility if limits exist far beyond current experimental reach.
  • A participant references the Hellinger-Toeplitz theorem, noting that in finite-dimensional Hilbert spaces, all operators are bounded, while in infinite-dimensional spaces, such as those used in QM, this is not the case.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of unbounded operators. While some argue for their essential role in representing physical observables, others question the assumptions underlying this necessity and propose that boundedness could be a valid consideration under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants highlight the complexity introduced by boundaries in calculations and the implications of assuming unbounded operators for the simplicity of theoretical models. There is an acknowledgment of the potential for limits on physical quantities, though this remains speculative.

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It is well known that unbounded operators play a crucial role in the mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics. In some sense, unbounded operators are inevitable. Indeed, we can prove that if A and B are self-adjoint operators such that [A,B]=ih, then A and B can never both be bounded.

My question is: is there any physical implications with being unbounded? Are there any physical reasons why we should expect unboundedness instead of bounded? Or is it only the mathematical formalism that changes?

One thing I can see is the following. A bounded operator always has compact spectrum. This means that the set of eigenvalues is necessarily bounded. So if all operators in QM were bounded, then I would expect that all outcomes of experiments are bounded. So in particular, the positions and momentums of all experiments would be bounded. This might constitute a physical reason why we want to work with unbounded operators. Is this accurate? And are there more such reasons?
 
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We can imagine many observables that are unbounded. You mentioned position and momentum; energy also comes to mind. I think the reality is that we expect quantities to exist which are unbounded in principle.

I suppose it might be possible to have a universe where such quantities are actually bounded. For example, we once thought relative speed was unbounded, but later discovered that it cannot exceed the speed of light. And it is easy to imagine a universe that is very large, but still finite.

The hardest to thing to imagine is how momentum, angular momentum, or energy might be bounded. This would require some radical changes to fundamental physics, although it's still possible. For example, the formation of black holes suggests that energy density might be bounded; i.e., above a certain energy density, a change of state occurs (although the precise physics of this new state---the black hole---thus far eludes us). And the angular momentum of a black hole is bounded by its mass; this again might be relatable to angular momentum density in general.

But remaining strictly within accepted quantum theory, there are numerous unbounded observables that will need unbounded operators to represent them in the mathematics.
 
One thing I can see is the following. A bounded operator always has compact spectrum. This means that the set of eigenvalues is necessarily bounded. So if all operators in QM were bounded, then I would expect that all outcomes of experiments are bounded. So in particular, the positions and momentums of all experiments would be bounded. This might constitute a physical reason why we want to work with unbounded operators. Is this accurate? And are there more such reasons?

No, this is not a very convincing reason. The assumption of real line as a domain of most quantities does not follow directly from experiment, but from generalization of the fact that no limit was found so far. It is conceivable that position, momentum and other quantities are in reality limited within some interval of real line. If the limit is far enough, it may be the case we have hard time to find it.

In the meantime we usually assume that there is no limit at all and it turns out that the theory is simpler that way. For example, solving for eigenfunctions in potential ##1/r## is easy when there is no boundary. When the boundary is introduced, the calculation is more complicated, the results depend on the nature of the boundary and usually, if the boundary is far away, the difference between the two is negligible.

So the reason for unbounded operators is, in my opinion, the fact that calculations are easier with them.
 
An operator is continuous if and only if it is bounded.In a finite dimensional hilbert space all operators are bounded,in an infinite dimensional space(qm) it is not the case.A related thing is Hellinger-Toeplitz theorem which states that an everywhere defined symmetric operator on an hillbert space is bounded.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellinger%E2%80%93Toeplitz_theorem
 

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