Are There Disproportionate IR Wavelengths in Sunlight Reaching the Atmosphere?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the spectrum of sunlight reaching the Earth's atmosphere and surface, specifically exploring whether certain infrared (IR) wavelengths are disproportionately represented compared to the original solar output. The scope includes theoretical considerations of solar radiation, atmospheric effects, and potential emissions from the ground and surrounding gases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the spectrum of sunlight reaching the upper atmosphere and the surface, specifically looking for disproportionate IR wavelengths.
  • Another participant clarifies that if one is above the Earth's atmosphere, the spectrum would closely resemble that emitted by the sun, while inside the atmosphere, many wavelengths are filtered out, particularly UV radiation by the ozone layer.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to a resource that illustrates solar radiation at the top of the atmosphere and at ground level, highlighting the gaps in the spectrum due to atmospheric absorption.
  • A participant expresses interest in whether the addition of reflected or emitted radiation from the ground and excited gas molecules results in unexpected peaks in the IR spectrum, using hypothetical examples of peaks at specific micrometer wavelengths.
  • Historical context is provided regarding research on the solar spectrum at ground level, mentioning early work by Bunsen and Kirchhoff and suggesting resources for further exploration of measurement issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of disproportionate IR wavelengths, and multiple viewpoints regarding the effects of atmospheric filtering and additional emissions remain present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential dependence on specific definitions of "disproportionate" and the unresolved nature of how ground and atmospheric emissions may influence the IR spectrum.

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Can anyone speak on the spectrum of sunlight reaching the upper atmosphere and the surface ? Specifically I interested in finding out if there are any IR wavelengths disproportionally represented when compared to the original source.

Please limit responses to constructive ones.
 
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By "upper atmosphere" do you mean above the atmosphere? If you are above the Earth's atmosphere, the spectrum of sunlight reaching you would be almost exactly that as given off by the sun. If you are inside the Earth's atmosphere, then many wavelengths get filtered out by the atmosphere itself, including UV radiation being filtered out by the ozone layer.
 
Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_mass_(solar_energy)

The charts show solar radiation at the top of the atmosphere, the black body (ideal) spectrum for the sun, and the solar spectrum at the ground. Note the many gaps in the last - these are the wavelengths absorbed by the atmosphere.
 
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Thanks ultra, since this shows a nice smooth average decline I get the impression that this exclusively speaks to attenuation/absorption of incoming solar radiation. I am wondering if when we add the radiation reflected/emitted from the ground and the IR emitted from the surrounding excited gas molecules are there any wavelengths within the IR part of the spectrum that show unexpected peaks.

Making up numbers for an example would there be peaks at 75 micrometers and 150 micrometers that would correspond to the amount emitted by excited gas molecules.

Thanks
 
There has been a great deal of research on the solar spectrum at ground level, dating back probably well into the 1800's. Bunsen & Kirchoff began photographing stellar and solar spectra in 1860:
http://www.chemteam.info/Chem-History/Kirchhoff-Bunsen-1860.html

For an introduction to the measurement issues see:
http://www.newport.com/Introduction-to-Solar-Radiation/411919/1033/content.aspx

With the right concepts you should be able to find whatever interests you via any university library, or Google Scholar.
 

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