Are these resistors in series or parallel?

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The discussion revolves around the configuration of resistors in a circuit, specifically whether they are arranged in series or parallel. The original poster presents a scenario involving a 4 kilo-ohm, a 12 kilo-ohm, and a 6 kilo-ohm resistor, questioning their arrangement based on their layout and connections.

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  • Participants explore the criteria for resistors being in series or parallel, questioning the implications of their arrangement and the role of nodes in determining their configuration. There is a focus on whether the presence of a battery or other components affects this classification.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the definitions of series and parallel configurations. Some guidance is provided regarding the conditions under which resistors can be classified as in series or parallel, but no consensus has been reached on the specific arrangement in the given scenario.

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There is mention of ignoring certain wires in the diagram, which may affect the interpretation of the circuit. Additionally, the discussion touches on the concept of polarity in resistors, clarifying that passive resistors do not have polarity.

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Ignore the wires that go out of the image.

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At first I thought they were in series because they're all lined up. But why can't the 4 kilo-ohm resistor and 12 kilo-ohm resistor be in parallel with the 6 kilo-ohm resistor where A and B are the two nodes? Does it depend on the polarity of the resistors?
 
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hi ainster31! :smile:
ainster31 said:
Ignore the wires that go out of the image.

sorry, but that's virtually impossible …

in particular, we need to know whether there's something important attached to that sticky-out line between the 4 kΩ and the 12 kΩ :confused:
At first I thought they were in series because they're all lined up.

the equation for being in series depends on them all having the same current through them, in the same direction

how can that happen here? (with no battery in that loop) :wink:
 
ainster31 said:
At first I thought they were in series because they're all lined up. But why can't the 4 kilo-ohm resistor and 12 kilo-ohm resistor be in parallel with the 6 kilo-ohm resistor where A and B are the two nodes?

Assuming the lines that go off the image go nowhere then...

If A and B are the two nodes of concern then they ARE exactly as you describe. The 4K and 12K are in series with each other and the pair are in parallel with the 6k.

Does it depend on the polarity of the resistors?

No.

Two components are in series if they share one (and only one) node with each other and no other component. For example the 4k and 12K share a common node (the one between them) with each other and no other component (you said to ignore the line going off the image).

Components are in parallel if they share two nodes.
 
ainster31 said:
Does it depend on the polarity of the resistors?

Just FYI, passive resistors such as are shown in your diagram don't HAVE a polarity.
 

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