Are You Struggling with Self-Doubt and Cognitive Challenges?

[Joaquin]

im dumb. I am seriously a dumb person and I've been in denial of this all my life. i failed high school but i brushed it off like "i didnt try" or i have "emotional intelligence". basically i kept saying to myself i didnt have book smarts but i had some "kind" of smart which is bullchit. it takes me ages to understand something...and when i finally do, i totally forget it within days.I pretty much have no memory.i don't know anything. seriously. I am a freakin air head, sometimes it feels like i have this "fog" in my head that doesn't let me think or learn.In the labs I am the slowest to learn,its like i can't engage my mind. my failure in high school was pathetic...sure i didnt care at the time and i never did homework ect but it was because it needed too much THOUGHT. i didnt want to think, it hurt me and it still hurts me today to think. I am horrible at solving problems, my mind just shuts off. i like to ponder, fantasize, imagine ect...but i HATE thinking in order to solve a problem or to learn something. now look what's happened. I am dumb. I have a 2.2gpa in a major that's too hard for me.

 

[junglebeast]

If you find yourself unintelligent now, it's likely because you were never interested in exercising your intellectual abilities before. Nobody is born a genius, just like nobody is born a super star athlete. The more time you spend using your brain to solve challenging problems, the better at it you will get. If you "HATE thinking in order to solve a problem," then you will probably remain dumb forever, but I think it's in your power to turn that around if you want.

 

[Danger]

That attitude won't help you any; giving up is counter-productive. If science isn't your thing, you might do very well as an artist or musician or actor. You were correct when you thought that 'book smarts' aren't all that matters. The fact that you bothered to post here indicates that you want to succeed and are willing to seek outside help to do so. It might just turn out that the area in which you can excel isn't your first choice. The nice thing about that is that once you become good at something, you might start to like it more and more. I sure never thought of being a bartender, but ended up doing it for 20 years and loved it.
Have you consulted a physician? Your situation seems similar to mine in high-school. I finally got diagnosed with ADD and put on antidepressants which made a tremendous difference. Unfortunately, that didn't happen until I was 45 years old. It was a bit late to do me much good.

edit: Hi, Beast. You sneaked in on me. Good advice.

 

[Evo]

im dumb. I am seriously a dumb person and I've been in denial of this all my life. i failed high school but i brushed it off like "i didnt try" or i have "emotional intelligence". basically i kept saying to myself i didnt have book smarts but i had some "kind" of smart which is bullchit. it takes me ages to understand something...and when i finally do, i totally forget it within days.I pretty much have no memory.i don't know anything. seriously. I am a freakin air head, sometimes it feels like i have this "fog" in my head that doesn't let me think or learn.In the labs I am the slowest to learn,its like i can't engage my mind. my failure in high school was pathetic...sure i didnt care at the time and i never did homework ect but it was because it needed too much THOUGHT. i didnt want to think, it hurt me and it still hurts me today to think. I am horrible at solving problems, my mind just shuts off. i like to ponder, fantasize, imagine ect...but i HATE thinking in order to solve a problem or to learn something. now look what's happened. I am dumb. I have a 2.2gpa in a major that's too hard for me.

If something requiring mental acuity is not for you, do you like things that you can do with your hands? It sounds like you have come to accept that you are not cut out for academics or science. Nothing at all wrong with that. As a matter of fact, skills like carpentry are to be admired. Perhaps you like working with machines. Move on to something that you *can* be good at.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Have you considered that you may have a learning disability? That is that you tend to think and learn differently than most people? Calling it a disability seems a bit harsh.

I am personally dyslexic. In kindergarten I wrote my name entirely backwards including the individual letters and didn't notice. They passed it off as eccentric or something. I never received any help with my difference in learning and only passed high school by going to "adult school". No one seemed to notice the fact that I took extra credits in adult school just because I wanted to, including my parents. It was ceramics class. I love sculpting clay. Unfortunately I haven't a kiln of my own or I would probably be sculpting almost daily. Maybe that's an exaggeration. ;-p

I also had trouble reading in school. I read well enough but found it frustrating. I am now a bibliophile. I love reading.

I often wonder how well I would do in college. Unfortunately I can not afford to live on my own and go to school. My work takes up most of my time and doesn't pay all that much. But I don't consider myself stupid. I obviously post on here as if I know what I am talking about with impunity. ;-)

 

[Jack21222]

You could at least try capitalizing a word or two. That'll at least help make you *seem* intelligent.

 

[rootX]

I have a 2.2gpa in a major that's too hard for me.

But, isn't gpa goes like:

Lower Second Class Honours GPA 2.00 – 2.99
Third Class Honours GPA 1.50 – 1.99
Pass GPA 1.00 – 1.49

It's not easy to get that gpa.

People who think fast aren't better than slow thinkers. Personally, I find people who think fast are prone to more mistakes than who go slow. There is simply no relationship between thinking fast and doing good in academics.

And, not everyone likes to work hard/think (i.e. majority of people). I would say you were bit slow in figuring that out

 

[Evo]

You could at least try capitalizing a word or two. That'll at least help make you *seem* intelligent.

English is obviously not their first language, or third or fourth.

Slang words, lack of capitalization, lack of punctuation, lack of sentence structure, lack of paragraph structure.

Joaquin, when is the last time you met with your councelors to talk about what *you* want? Surely your English teacher has threatened to commit harakiri.

 

[lisab]

I agree with others here...you really should start with you doctor. You could have an underlining medical condition. How's your sleep pattern?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

You could at least try capitalizing a word or two. That'll at least help make you *seem* intelligent.

English is obviously not their first language, or third or fourth.

Slang words, lack of capitalization, lack of punctuation, lack of sentence structure, lack of paragraph structure.

Joaquin, when is the last time you met with your councelors to talk about what *you* want? Surely your English teacher has threatened to commit harakiri.

Nothing like giving someone an inferiority complex to spur their academic growth. :-/

 

[Loren Booda]

I earned an MS in physics while living with a serious mental illness, schizoaffective disorder.

My suggestions for your doing better include visiting a psychologist or psychiatrist to consider the no-fault diagnosis of ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder), rejecting all nonprescribed drugs, engaging in meditation, and taking a good-faith interest of your professors and fellow students.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

I earned an MS in physics while living with a serious mental illness, schizoaffective disorder.

My suggestions for your doing better include visiting a psychologist or psychiatrist to consider the no-fault diagnosis of ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder), rejecting all nonprescribed drugs, engaging in meditation, and taking a good-faith interest of your professors and fellow students.

I personally never resorted to professional help. Perhaps I was just stuborn. I also often felt I was a burden on my parent and so only raised complaints when I felt is was absolutely necessary...
Wow, and I just had a rather emotional outburst at even typing that lol.
Erm...
So any way...
Self examination is rather important and you seem to already have that in hand. The next step is to do something about it. Perhaps seeing a psychologist even if you don't like the idea. Self reliance was something I felt I had to learn to get by and as a result I rarely have resorted to any outside help. And here I am in a dead end job with no prospects for anything better. If you are in college I suggest you stick with it and seek what ever help you can at doing better. The alternative is not so good. Its not terrible but I am sure you can do better. :-)

 

[Danger]

English is obviously not their first language, or third or fourth.

I'm not getting that. It seems more that this is someone who grew up with the net rather than books, but definitely a native English speaker. Lack of capitalization is common to folks who use non-case-sensitive search engines and passwords. It could also be a hold-over from chat-room or texting activities. He writes the way he talks.

 

[neu]

Go into politics

 

[Moonbear]

I will agree with the others who have suggested discussing this with a doctor. If you were just not studying, or studying and not getting anywhere with it, it could be a matter of ability. But, when your description added that you feel like you're in a haze and that you can commit something to short-term memory, but then it doesn't stick in long-term memory, I'd consider that you might have either a learning disability or some other sort of neural disorder that's hindering your ability to focus on tasks and retain information. Talk to a psychiatrist first. They might refer you further to a neurologist, or might be able to provide a diagnosis based on just talking with you.

Once you figure out if you really do have something treatable, you will probably have to back-up and retake some classes...or at least audit them to learn what you missed the first time.

 

[junglebeast]

But, isn't gpa goes like:

...

I'm not sure where you pulled that from...some European system perhaps? In the states, GPA is calculated as follows:

A=4 grade points
B=3 grade points
C=2 grade points
D=1 grade point
WF/F=0 grade points

Although another school might have increased precision (like below), or some schools increase an A+ to 4.3 (which is really unfair, because it makes all their students have higher GPA's compared to the rest of the country).

A+ = 4 points,
A = 4 points,
A- = 3.7 points,
B+ = 3.3 points,
B = 3 points,
B- = 2.7 points,
C+ = 2.3 points,
C = 2 points,
C- = 1.7,
D+ = 1.3 points,
D = 1 point,
D- = .7 points and
F = 0 points

The grade points are then multiplied by the course credit hours. Most courses have 3 credit hours (but they can generally vary from 5 to 1). Your total GPA is then total grade points earned divided by maximum grade points earned.

So, a 2.2 GPA is basically a C average...which "technically" is supposed to be the average grade, although I don't think that's the case these days. The average grade is probably at least a B.

 

[Proton Soup]

A 2.2 gpa is pathetic, its barely above passing.whats worst is that i actually study and try to do good, but i always find someway to fail. I am an ee major and in way over my head.

how long have you been in? an EE major is not for everyone, and the first year is usually enough to weed out those who do not think this way. sometimes, even the first quarter.

and just from personal experience, i was not prepared for the math sequence when i got there, and started bogging down around Calc II. so i gave myself an honest assessment and realized i was deficient in trig. went all the way back to precalculus I, and from then on got straight As in my math sequence.

i can't really emphasize this enough. it's critically important that you never get behind on your math and core major coursework. too much of it is dependent on the prior coursework, and if you ever get behind it can be almost impossible to catch back up.

 

[Proton Soup]

I'm not getting that. It seems more that this is someone who grew up with the net rather than books, but definitely a native English speaker. Lack of capitalization is common to folks who use non-case-sensitive search engines and passwords. It could also be a hold-over from chat-room or texting activities. He writes the way he talks.

shift keys are a pain in the ***. too much stress on the hands. the brain reads lower case just fine, it's upper case that doesn't read well.

 

[Topher925]

...i actually study and try to do good, ...

...try to do well,

How are you doing compared to the rest of the class? EE is a difficult subject, try auditing some business classes for a comparison.

 

[elect_eng]

im afraid of going to a doctor. its easy coming up w/ excuses for my idiocy when i haven't officially been diagnosed with a mental deficiency.

Honestly, it sounds like you may have ADD. My wife has this and wasn't diagnosed until she was an adult. Our son has it too, but was diagnosed at a young age. They are both very intelligent (IQ>140 as determined through testing), but you would never know from watching them because they can't focus very well. The ability to focus is very critical to problem solving skills, so either you would need medication, or go into a line of work and lifestyle that doesn't need too much focus. Our son decided not to take medication. He tried if for a while, but didn't like it.

There is nothing wrong with just being yourself and developing coping skills. My wife does amazing things. She is constantly active working and volunteering around the clock. She runs circles around me. I can focus my mind like a laser beam for days on end until I solve a problem, - that's why I'm and engineer. But, I would never say that I'm better or more intelligent than my wife and son. They are very smart, and most likely, you are too.

 

[seycyrus]

I would start assembling the the skill sets that you would need to become self-dependent. You may find that you enjoy doing those things. You would then be able to teach those skills to others.

 

[Jack21222]

Just curious, what does the skin color of your classmates have to do with anything?

 

[Proton Soup]

SAT scores

you know, the bigger question is what sort of culture you want to belong to.

 

[qntty]

But still I am competing with white kids whose freaking parents have masters and ph.d's and I am suppose to compete with that??Give me a break, i don't have that sort of lineage, I am not bred to be smart.

If you tell yourself that you're going to fail, then you will. You can't change your upbringing even if it did have a negative effect on you (and I'm not saying that it necessarily did). Not going to the doctor (that is, if you feel that you need to) because you're afraid that he'll tell you that you have a problem won't make it any better. In fact, it tends to make the problem worse.

 

[qntty]

SAT scores

Regardless of what you might think, your future hasn't been decided for you. It's still entirely up to you.

 

[elect_eng]

i just don't want to work. simple as that.

If you had unlimmited money and didn't have to work, what would you do with your life? Sit and think about this question. Once you have the answer, try to develop a plan that will enable you to do this (or something close enough) even though you don't have unlimmited money. A winner always finds a way to achieve the goal, no matter what obstacles are in the way.

If you can't answer the above question, then I pity you. You are totally lost and have no compass. Nothing anyone says can help you and you can not even help yourself. The first step is to answer that question. If you know that answer, at least you can dream of that when you sleep at night, and perhaps your subconscious mind will guide you.

 

[chemisttree]

my parents want me to be educated and succesful, but where the hell do they want me to get my smarts from??My mom is a total idiot, she's a great MOM and i love her, but she's a complete idiot, i can't even hold a normal conversation with her without getting frustrated after a few minutes, sometimes she makes no sense.My dad isn't dumb although he only went up to the 4th grade or something, he did teach himself english and speaks it fairly well.But still I am competing with white kids whose freaking parents have masters and ph.d's and I am suppose to compete with that??Give me a break, i don't have that sort of lineage, I am not bred to be smart.

Joaquin, take http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm" and see what you think. ADD or ADHD has a genetic link so your family could be suffering as well.

Genetic Causes of ADD/ADHD
There are likely genetic roots to ADD/ADHD. Many children with the disorder have at least one close relative who also suffers from it. Scientists are currently studying the incidence of a child having ADD/ADHD when at least one parent is a carrier of the gene.

http://addadhd.suite101.com/article.cfm/causes_of_addadhd

If you suspect that you are ADD, http://borntoexplore.org/addcar~2.htm"

 

[junglebeast]

Joaquin, take http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm" and see what you think. ADD or ADHD has a genetic link so your family could be suffering as well.

http://addadhd.suite101.com/article.cfm/causes_of_addadhd

I do not like this test. By answering 'Not at all' to the majority of questions and 'Just a little' to a few of them, it diagnosed me as 'Borderline ADD.' That's complete BS, and it mirrors my feelings about diagnosis of ADD in general.

Nobody likes studying for tests. It's hard and it goes against our natural instincts. If you can't force yourself to study to pull off the grades you need, it's most likely because you lack self control and motivation, not because you have a mental disability.

 

[Moonbear]

I don't think that test is particularly useful either, and it isn't how ADD is really diagnosed anyway. One of my friends recently was diagnosed with ADD, and I can certainly see it in her behavior, but it's mild in her case. The diagnosis was made by a psychiatrist, and the diagnosis didn't come from asking her about those sorts of questions, though they were asked, but rather from her focus on the conversation they were having. The psychiatrist picked up on something I notice about her too...she tends to change topics in conversation very often. Before completing one thought, she's moving on to another, and never comes back to the original topic.

I have a student with ADD as well, and she's the same way, very disorganized in her conversation even though she's very smart. She can tell you a million things about whatever she should be studying for class, but she heads down tangents that distract her and forgets to answer the original question.

I'm not about to try diagnosing Joachim online, but some of the symptoms described are general for a number of different things, including ADD/ADHD, and anxiety disorders. We're not talking things like brain tumors, but relatively common disorders that can hinder learning but are treatable.

And, one should not consider that just because your parents didn't graduate high school that you can't succeed in school yourself. That's an excuse, not a valid reason for not doing well.

 

[Danger]

My dad isn't dumb although he only went up to the 4th grade or something, he did teach himself english and speaks it fairly well.But still I am competing with white kids

You might have noticed that pretty much everyone on PF is colour-blind. Since you seem to be hung up on it, though, how about letting us know which ethnic category you inhabit and why it makes you feel inferior. Some people are disadvantaged by race, dependent upon where they live, but a lot of it is a socially-driven misperception.

white kids whose freaking parents have masters and ph.d's and I am suppose to compete with that??

You are not competing with the parents—not even with other students. You are competing with only yourself and the material. If you pass, it doesn't matter whether you're at the top of your class or the bottom. The stupidest student at one school might be far ahead of the brightest at another. You don't have to satisfy anyone's expectations other than your own.

 

[epenguin]

I am personally dyslexic. In kindergarten I wrote my name entirely backwards including the individual letters and didn't notice. They passed it off as eccentric or something.

You mean like mirror? Leonardo da Vinci was like that. It doesn't preclude achievement, maybe he wasn't in a system that told him it did.

 

[Danger]

Leonardo da Vinci was like that.

He was pretty much in a class by himself, though. I don't know whether or not it's true, but I once read somewhere that he could write two entirely different things with both hands at the same time. (Someone here posted a video of an artist doing a drawing with both at once, but that's a bit different.) I'm ambidextrous, but there's no way in the world that I could do that. Maybe his corpus callosum didn't work, so as to give total hemispherical independence. (Just a guess.)

 

[junglebeast]

The diagnosis was made by a psychiatrist, and the diagnosis didn't come from asking her about those sorts of questions, though they were asked, but rather from her focus on the conversation they were having. The psychiatrist picked up on something I notice about her too...she tends to change topics in conversation very often. Before completing one thought, she's moving on to another, and never comes back to the original topic.

When I was about 8 years old I had some behavior issues and I saw a psychiatrist. She invited me into her office and told me that I could play with 1 toy from her shelf, if I wanted. She had a lot of toys so I carefully surveyed them one by one, to find the best toy. Afterwards she told my mom that I had ADD because of the way that I had moved my focus from one toy to the next without instantly focusing in on one toy. My mother rightly told the psychiatrist she was a crack pot and we left. Just because a psychiatrist tells you something doesn't mean it's true.

ADD is a mental disorder, not a behavioral characteristic. There are a lot more plausible explanations for why someone would frequently change the topic of a conversation...such as making small talk and not really caring about the subject. A lot of people (girls in particular) also just have a habit of running their mouths non stop. That doesn't make them mentally deficient any more than a guy who mumbles or says "um..." a lot.

 

[Huckleberry]

Motivation trumps natural ability. Sounds to me like you aren't motivated to do what you are doing. Maybe you are doing it because you think it is what is expected from you by your parents or society? If this were the only problem then I would say you just need to do your own thing regardless of what anyone else thinks of you. I don't get the impression that you will find contentment by satisfying people's expectations of you. But I don't believe this is really the problem at all. If you aren't taking the responsibility for your own happiness then it's doubtful that you will find it by placing blame on others.

I think problem is that you are not content with yourself. Having goals and interests is good for self esteem and generates motivation. I recommend, if you haven't already, making some friends with some of your classmates. Join study groups. Hang out with them on and off campus. Get involved in some other school activities. It might be awkward at first, but I've always found it's worth it when someone is glad to see me show up rather than when they are pushing me to go. That's always helped motivate me. Having an investment in my peers gives purpose to my actions, which drives my motivation. Maybe that's what you are lacking at school? The differences between you and your classmates are not necessarily any impedence to you or them. Let them accept or reject before dismissing yourself.

See your guidance councilor. Talk to someone qualified to help you. Maybe you do have ADD or some other mental disability, but I wouldn't start with that assumption. Take responsibility for your situation, and if it upsets you then do something to change it. If you aren't content with yourself then it will be difficult to succeed at anything you try to do. If you tell yourself that you'll fail before you even begin then you rob yourself of any motivation to try. You lower your personal standards and under value yourself. Find your cornerstone of contentment before you try to build a foundation for personal achievement.

 

[BobG]

how long have you been in? an EE major is not for everyone, and the first year is usually enough to weed out those who do not think this way. sometimes, even the first quarter.

If something requiring mental acuity is not for you, do you like things that you can do with your hands? It sounds like you have come to accept that you are not cut out for academics or science. Nothing at all wrong with that. As a matter of fact, skills like carpentry are to be admired. Perhaps you like working with machines. Move on to something that you *can* be good at.

my parents want me to be educated and succesful,

You're going to run into problems if you pick a career that only makes your parents happy. You want a realistic career that gives you satisfaction and enough money to meet the most important other goals of your life (like enough to feed your wife and kids). If you find a career that makes both you and your parents happy, then that's great. I think your own personal goals should take a little higher priority than your parents' goals, though.

 

[rootX]

I'm not sure where you pulled that from...some European system perhaps? In the states, GPA is calculated as follows:

Must be that. My school doesn't use GPA. We get percentages (100% is max)

 

[elect_eng]

I do not like this test. By answering 'Not at all' to the majority of questions and 'Just a little' to a few of them, it diagnosed me as 'Borderline ADD.' That's complete BS, and it mirrors my feelings about diagnosis of ADD in general.

I think you misunderstood the purpose of the test and the meaning of the categories. Although, the wording they use is very confusing, so this is understandable. This test is not a diagnosis, but just an indicator of the probability that you have some symtoms of ADD. The "borderline" category means that you are on the borderline of a very low probablity of having a mild form of it. I took the test and scored 24 which is almost on the borderline and I don't think I have ADD. However my wife, who has been diagnosed with ADD, scored an 86. So the test has some validity.

You are right that diagnosis is very difficult and ADD is often use as an excuse. However, it is a very real disorder and creates real challenges for those who truly have it. The important thing is to not use a diagnosis of ADD as an excuse, but use it for understanding how to develop coping mechanisms. My wife and son went through extensive testing to be sure of a correct diagnosis because we did not want to put our son on needless medication. The medication worked wonders on our sons ability to focus and do well in school, but he eventually decided not to take it any more. We respected his wishes, but his symptoms are obvious without medication. But, now that he is older and has developed coping strategies, he does fine. The end result is that a person with a 140 IQ works flipping burgers, but that was the choice he made and he seems happy enough. However, the OP is clearly unhappy and needs a solution. That test may put him on a path of discovery.

 

[elect_eng]

I do not like this test. By answering 'Not at all' to the majority of questions and 'Just a little' to a few of them, it diagnosed me as 'Borderline ADD.' That's complete BS, and it mirrors my feelings about diagnosis of ADD in general.

There is an interesting experiment you can do with this test. Retake the test and force yourself to answer "not at all" to all questions and get a score of zero.

Now ask yourself what a boring robot you would be if you really could answer this way. This shows that all of the symptoms of ADD are basically not bad at all, but a normal part of being a thinking human being. The symptoms are a reflection of how the creative mind works. So ADD is a case where the useful functions of the mind have gone to an extreme uncontrolled state and hinder functionality and happiness.

 

[Moonbear]

ADD is a mental disorder, not a behavioral characteristic. There are a lot more plausible explanations for why someone would frequently change the topic of a conversation...such as making small talk and not really caring about the subject. A lot of people (girls in particular) also just have a habit of running their mouths non stop. That doesn't make them mentally deficient any more than a guy who mumbles or says "um..." a lot.

And some people just refuse to accept the diagnosis, so dismiss the trained psychiatrists rather than understand the disorder...which IS behavioral. You also seem to lack any understanding of ADD...it is NOT a mental "deficiency." You make it sound like someone with ADD is defective rather than simply having a mind that works differently. If you actually READ my entire post, as well, you'd see that the diagnosis was NOT based on just one criterion...in fact, that was the entire point I was making, that there are many criteria required beyond just some internet test.

 

[Evo]

I find it rather comical that the first thing a lot of people here suggest when someone says that they don't like school or like to learn, is that the person has a learning disability. Especially now that he says that he doesn't even want to work for a living.

 

[elect_eng]

I find it rather comical that the first thing a lot of people here suggest when someone says that they don't like school or like to learn, is that the person has a learning disability. Especially now that he says that he doesn't even want to work for a living.

I can't speak for anyone else, but my comments are based on the fact that his description of how he feels sounds very similar to how my wife and son described how they feel with ADD. Comments like ...

"fog" in my head;

can't engage my mind

hurts to think

my mind shuts off

like to ponder, fantasize, imagine

I can't say that my explanation is correct since I'm biased based on limited experience, but there is definitely some issue here. His posting is a call for help, whether he realizes it or not. We cant' be sure of the cause or the cure, but we can encourage him to try and figure it out.

 

[Evo]

I can't speak for anyone else, but my comments are based on the fact that his description of how he feels sounds very similar to how my wife and son described how they feel with ADD. Comments like ...

"fog" in my head;

can't engage my mind

hurts to think

my mind shuts off

like to ponder, fantasize, imagine

I can't say that my explanation is correct since I'm biased based on limited experience, but there is definitely some issue here. His posting is a call for help, whether he realizes it or not. We cant' be sure of the cause or the cure, but we can encourage him to try and figure it out.

My comment is in reference to the first thing that someone that enjoys learning seems to think - that anyone that doesn't enjoy learning has to have a problem...they are not normal. Where as on another forum the first thing that might come to mind is that the person just doesn't like learning. Those phrases can easily mean that someone can't grasp things because they aren't into it. But we, here, tend to jump to the conclusion that it must be a disability because not liking learning is foreign to us.

there is definitely some issue here. His posting is a call for help, whether he realizes it or not.

No, not at all. You are imposing "your" viewpoint on his comments.

I use those terms all of the time. And I am an expert in my field and have no problems.

 

[Moonbear]

I find it rather comical that the first thing a lot of people here suggest when someone says that they don't like school or like to learn, is that the person has a learning disability. Especially now that he says that he doesn't even want to work for a living.

People are suggesting that it is a possibility and that he should talk to a physician to find out. I would rather have someone who has nothing wrong with them go talk to a physician and find that out than have someone who has a learning disability or other psychiatric issue be told he's just lazy until he ends up homeless. The attitude that these illnesses aren't real and that people are just lazy just contributes the stigma that prevents people from getting properly diagnosed.

 

[Evo]

People are suggesting that it is a possibility and that he should talk to a physician to find out. I would rather have someone who has nothing wrong with them go talk to a physician and find that out than have someone who has a learning disability or other psychiatric issue be told he's just lazy until he ends up homeless. The attitude that these illnesses aren't real and that people are just lazy just contributes the stigma that prevents people from getting properly diagnosed.

Absolutely, I just found it humorous that since we all love learning, that someone that doesn't, usually has a learning disability thrown out as the reason, instead of pursuing the possibility that they just aren't into it.

 

[elect_eng]

No, not at all. You are imposing "your" viewpoint on his comments.

I'm doing more than imposing my viewpoint on his comments. I'm considering his comments in light of my own experience. Given that I only have his words and am not talking to him personally, I consider a wide range of possible reasons why someone would generate a post like this. Then I make my best judgement.

I use those terms all of the time. And I am an expert in my field and have no problems.

You are being disingenuous. I've had people tell me they were going to kill me, and I didn't worry about it because I knew they didn't mean it. But, if someone did mean it, I'm sure I could tell the difference, or at least be suspicious enough to be cautious.

I don't need to be 100% confident to make a judgement that someone may need help and to offer some advice that may be useful, or at least send the message that there are people that care and don't find a serious issue comical. Yes, I may be wrong, but it's better to err on the side of caution.