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Are you saying that Darts can only be present in a B-Field?
If I stood close enough to have the same velocity as the elephant's throw, I'm sure I could do as well. An elephant's trunk is quite agile.Poop-Loops said:Yes, but did you throw them with your nose?
Evo said:It's an elephant doing tricks it was taught. What's the point? Have you never been to a circus?
I was referring to the video of it throwing darts at balloons.Moonbear said:As I said, even if it's a trick it was taught, it's still pretty incredible how precisely it draws...
Evo said:You can't be serious. Do you see how many cuts there are? There is no continuous video of the elephant drawing anything. Just shots of him starting to hold up the brush.
You post a chopped up and badly edited youtube video and claim it's authentic, I am afraid the onus is on you to prove that it's real. The burden of proof lies with you for claiming it's real. Where did you get the notion that the burden of proof is with the skeptic?gravenewworld said:Once again the burden of proof lies with the skeptic. Got any proof yet? I'm waiting. Please supply a link.
Evo said:I was referring to the video of it throwing darts at balloons.
gravenewworld said:Once again the burden of proof lies with the skeptic. Got any proof yet? I'm waiting. Please supply a link.
Schrodinger's Dog said:Actually not, we all know elephants can't paint like humans, you're trying to claim they can. I think I'd accept a simple rendering from an elephant but you're asking us to believe elephants are sophisticated self aware and talented artists. I'd say the burden of proof is on you to be honest.
You post a chopped up and badly edited youtube video and claim it's authentic, I am afraid the onus is on you to prove that it's real. The burden of proof lies with you for claiming it's real. Where did you get the notion that the burden of proof is with the skeptic?
I could create hoaxes all day and then tell you that if you don't believe me that you are required to prove me wrong?
Schrodinger's Dog said:Yeah but no offence the most sophisticate image I've seen on that Elephant art website is a picture of a flower. A self portrait simply is a quantum leap on a picture of what looks like a flower in psychological terms.
I'm willing to accept the video is genuine only if there is corroborative evidence, don't feel bad I don't trust anything the American media says or my own half the time these days when there is an extraordinary piece of news. If I did I'd believe that Iran was definitely building nukes and Ahmadinejhad actually did say "wipe Israel off the map". Both of which have been effectively discredited.
Oh, I wasn't buying that it was really a self-portrait. That was just the title of the video, but doesn't mean that's what was being shown. I just think it's cute having the elephant draw an elephant. And, it's still a better elephant than I can draw!Schrodinger's Dog said:YA self portrait simply is a quantum leap on a picture of what looks like a flower in psychological terms.
Moonbear said:Oh, I wasn't buying that it was really a self-portrait. That was just the title of the video, but doesn't mean that's what was being shown. I just think it's cute having the elephant draw an elephant. And, it's still a better elephant than I can draw!
The article saysgravenewworld said:I guess the BBC must be lying too when it also claims that elephants can paint other elephants.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/5203120.stm
Elephants have over 40,000 muslces in their trunks, it probably isn't surprising then that they may have some decent trunk eye coordination.
Mrs Khunapramot, who set up the Thai Fine Art company after studying the history of art in St Andrews and business management at Edinburgh's Napier University, said it took about a month to train the animals to paint.
Elephant expert Dr Joyce Poole, who has studied the animals for 30 years, said she owned an elephant painting but had not come across animals painting their own images.
The Oslo-based scientist said: "I have seen elephants painting, but it was very free-flow.
"It's certainly capable of drawing an elephant, and could be trained, but might not really understand what it was doing."
Other than it breaking your suspension of disbelief, by what criteria do you conclude it is fake?tribdog said:Of course the elephant painting video is a fake. I saw it a few days ago and at first I was so amazed and I completely fell for it. The first half of the drawing blew me away, the second half though when it started going over lines to make them darker and then drawing the flower gave it away. It is a pretty good fake though they just went too far with it.
DaveC426913 said:Other than it breaking your suspension of disbelief, by what criteria do you conclude it is fake?
I don't find the actual presentation taken at face-value is entirely implausible - that an elephant is making recognizable marks.
It does seem that there are those who seem to think that this video offers evidence that the elephant knows what it's doing, at which point they lose me.
gravenewworld said:It's not a hoax, just google "elephant art" and you will get tons of crap.
There's even a national geographic article on it
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/06/0626_020626_elephant.html
More elephant art
http://store.exoticworldgifts.com/prostores/servlet/-strse-277/Painted-by-an-Elephant/Detail
http://store.exoticworldgifts.com/prostores/servlet/-strse-278/Painted-by-an-Elephant/Detail
Ah. You're comparing it to other events that you've seen that lead you to be fairly confident that this is well beyond the capabilities of elephant intelligence.tribdog said:I never said an elephant couldn't paint, but I've seen elephant painting about half of the paint ends up on the canvas the rest is on its head and on the ground and on the trainer. If an elephant painting turns out to resemble anything it is a matter of sheer luck. There is no way an elephant can paint a picture like the one on the video without making any mistakes and so quickly. It even picks up the brush and flips the bristles the other way to change direction in its stroke. The only thing in the video that is real is the elephant walking up to the canvas. After that it is clever cg.
Claim: Video clip shows an elephant painting a picture of an elephant.
Status: True.