Art of Electronics Exercise 4.3 Operational inverter

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an exercise from "The Art of Electronics" concerning operational amplifiers configured as inverting and non-inverting amplifiers. Participants explore the behavior of the circuit when a switch is flipped, affecting the voltage gain, and express uncertainty about interpreting the circuit as a follower configuration.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the gain for the inverting amplifier configuration is -R2/R1, while expressing difficulty in understanding how to view the circuit as a follower.
  • Questions are raised regarding the voltage difference between the + and - inputs in the follower configuration, with some participants suggesting they are equal due to the negative feedback loop.
  • There is a claim that the voltage across the first resistor would be 0V, based on the relationship V+ - V- in the follower configuration.
  • One participant acknowledges the unconventional nature of the follower circuit as presented and references a related thread for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the follower configuration and its implications, indicating that multiple views and interpretations are present without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the feedback loop on the voltage difference between the inputs, nor have they clarified the conditions under which the circuit operates as a follower.

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Homework Statement


The circuits in Figure 4.14 let you invert or amplify without inversion, by flipping a switch. The voltage gain is either +1 or -1, depending on the switch position.
http://tinypic.com/r/2hnql2c/6
http://tinypic.com/r/2hnql2c/6

Homework Equations


Gain for the first image with the switch set to ground is equal to -R2/R1, because it is an inverting amplifier, struggling to identify how to consider the circuit as a follower, because it doesn't look like a typical follower circuit. Unsure how to consider the circuit when the positive and negative terminals are connected.


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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CSOleson said:

Homework Statement


The circuits in Figure 4.14 let you invert or amplify without inversion, by flipping a switch. The voltage gain is either +1 or -1, depending on the switch position.
http://tinypic.com/r/2hnql2c/6
http://tinypic.com/r/2hnql2c/6

Homework Equations


Gain for the first image with the switch set to ground is equal to -R2/R1, because it is an inverting amplifier, struggling to identify how to consider the circuit as a follower, because it doesn't look like a typical follower circuit. Unsure how to consider the circuit when the positive and negative terminals are connected.


The Attempt at a Solution


What is the difference in voltage between the + and - inputs for an opamp in the follower configuration? So what is the feedback current in this configuration? :smile:
 
are the + and - inputs equal, because of the negative feedback loop?
 
so the voltage across the 1st resistor would be 0V because it is V+ - V-
 
CSOleson said:
are the + and - inputs equal, because of the negative feedback loop?

CSOleson said:
so the voltage across the 1st resistor would be 0V because it is V+ - V-

Correct-a-mundo :smile:

Kind of a weird follower, but that's one of the ways that H&H teaches us how to be comfortable thinking about circuits. Have you seen this thread?

https://www.physicsforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=4315656

:smile:
 
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