As we have so many oil mines around the world, how large are these

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The discussion revolves around the size of oil mines and the implications of oil extraction on geological stability, particularly focusing on subsidence and the potential for collapses in oil caverns. Participants explore the nature of oil deposits, the processes involved in extraction, and the consequences of these activities on the surrounding environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the size of holes left behind after oil extraction and the implications of pressure changes in the geological formations.
  • One participant clarifies that oil is not stored in caverns but rather in the pores of rock formations, specifically at the tops of anticlines.
  • Another participant expresses concern that the pumping of steam into rock pores could create voids, raising questions about potential collapses due to tectonic movements.
  • A later reply notes that subsidence due to oil extraction is uncommon but has occurred, providing an example from the Wilmington oil field in California where significant subsidence was observed.
  • Participants discuss the process of oil extraction, mentioning that initial flow is due to natural pressure, which decreases over time, necessitating further extraction methods such as pumping replacement fluids like water.
  • One participant suggests that pumping water can help mitigate subsidence, while also noting that similar issues arise in solid material mining where voids are filled with concrete.
  • There is a suggestion that offshore drilling might be less concerning in terms of subsidence, although some participants express skepticism about the sustainability of continued offshore drilling.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of oil extraction on geological stability, with multiple competing views on the risks of subsidence and the effectiveness of mitigation strategies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of these activities.

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Participants express uncertainty about the frequency and conditions under which subsidence occurs, as well as the effectiveness of various methods to address it. The discussion includes references to specific cases and processes, but does not resolve the complexities involved.

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As we have so many oil mines around the world, how large are these holes left behind, and what is put in place of the oil that is taken out. wouldn't the pressure be different? and what would happen if a oil cavern collapsed?
 
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in pretty much all cases, that I'm aware of, the oil isn't in caverns. :)
its within the pores of the rock. It accumulates at the top of folds of rock layers called anticlines.

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Ok I understand that, but these pores within these rocks have to be large and if oil miners are pumping steam into these pores wouldn't that leave for lack of a better word holes? I guess what I'm getting at is possible collapses with the tectonic plates constantly moving. it's hard to believe not a one crack or shift hasn't happened.
 
To the OP. Apparently this is a VERY uncommon occurrence, but has happened.
From: http://Earth'sci.org/processes/struct/subside/subsidence.htm


Oil & Gas
Oil and Natural gas are both fluids that can exist in the pore spaces and fractures of rock, just like water. When oil and natural gas are withdrawn from regions in the Earth near the surface, fluid pressure provided by these fluids is reduced. With a reduction in fluid pressure, the pore spaces begin to close and the sediment may start to compact resulting in subsidence of the surface.

This has occurred recently in the oil fields of southern California. For example, in the Wilmington oil field of Long Beach, California, subsidence was first recognized in 1940 due to withdrawal of oil from the subsurface. The area affected was about 50 km2. Near the center of this area, the surface subsided by up to 9 meters . In 1958 repressurization of the area was attempted by pumping fluids back into the rocks below. By 1962 further subsidence had been greatly reduced, and the area continuing to subside had been reduced to 8 km2. Still, up to this point, very little uplift had occurred to restore the area to its original elevation. This subsidence event has cost over $100 million.
 


You are right to consider this question.

As the oil is extracted from a new drilling it goes through several stages.

First the oil flows naturally because although it is contained within the rock pores and other interstices it is unde pressure. Sometimes this pressure can be enormous as has been seen at the recent Horizon disaster.

As the oil flows the pressure decreases and eventually the natural flow ceases. Further extraction can be obtained by pumping out.

In the last few decades it has been possible to obtain more oil by pumping a replacement fluid - water - in.

Whilst I will not pretend this is done for altruistic reasons, it does have the added benefit of reducing or eliminating the reulting subsidance.

As a matter of interest, this effect has also been observed with mining of solid material, where the subsidence has presented a large problem. In some places concrete has been pumped into fill the voids, even yars or centuries after the mining has finished.
 


Sounds like another good reason to drill off-shore. If a section of ocean floor subsided by a few meters I can't think of any reason anybody would care
 


mrspeedybob said:
Sounds like another good reason to drill off-shore. If a section of ocean floor subsided by a few meters I can't think of any reason anybody would care

That's a great point in and of itself. Though I am somewhat sceptical of continued off-shore drilling these days.
Even still, I think your right.
 

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