Asymptotically Flat Schwarzschild Metric

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the asymptotic behavior of the Schwarzschild metric as the radial coordinate \( r \) approaches infinity. Participants explore the implications of this limit on the metric's components, particularly in the context of general relativity and its application to astrophysical scenarios, such as galaxy rotation curves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to evaluate the limit of \( r^2 d\Omega^2 \) as \( r \to \infty \) in the context of the Schwarzschild metric.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the relevant limit is \( \frac{r}{GM} \to \infty \), suggesting that \( r \) should be much larger than \( GM \) while remaining finite.
  • Some participants assert that the difference between the Schwarzschild metric and the flat metric approaches zero as \( r \) increases.
  • One participant challenges the assumption that spacetime becomes Minkowskian at large distances, proposing that this may not hold true at the galactic scale due to issues fitting rotation curves.
  • Another participant counters that all proposed models for fitting galaxy rotation curves are asymptotically flat, referencing previous discussions on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the assumption that spacetime approaches Minkowski at large distances, particularly in relation to galaxy dynamics. There is no consensus on whether this assumption holds true in all astrophysical contexts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved questions about the behavior of gravitational potentials at large scales and the assumptions underlying the Schwarzschild metric's asymptotic properties.

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This is probably a stupid question but so as ##r \to \infty ## it is clear that
##-(1-GM/r)dt^2+(1-GM/r)^{-1}dr^2 \to -dt^2 +dr^2 ##

However how do you consider ## \lim r \to \infty (r^2d\Omega^2 )##..?

Schwarschild metric: ##-(1-GM/r)dt^2+(1-GM/r)^{-1}dr^2+r^2 d\Omega^2##
flat metric : ##-dt^2+dr^2+r^2 d\Omega^2##

i.e without doing this limit the result is clear, but what happens to this limit?
 
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What's important is not that r \rightarrow \infty, but that \frac{r}{GM} \rightarrow \infty. That is, we're assuming that r \gg GM, while still being finite.
 
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The difference of the two metrics approaches zero as ##r## goes to infinity.
 
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martinbn said:
The difference of the two metrics approaches zero as ##r## goes to infinity.
But why is that assumed?
 
Could it be not true on galaxy level? It is true in the solar system and on earth, but on galaxy level we cannot fit the rotation curves with this assumption. Could it be possible that the assumption "when r goes to infinity, then spacetime becomes minkowski" is violated for galaxies?
If that would be the case, then the gravitational potential would increase. But there are examples of such behavior in nature: the potential of an atom for example (potential well)?
 
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Angelika10 said:
on galaxy level we cannot fit the rotation curves with this assumption
Yes, we can. All of the proposed models for fitting galaxy rotation curves are asymptotically flat. You have already been told this in another thread that you started yourself. Please do not repeat this misunderstanding in someone else's thread.
 
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