At what time did the murder take place? (Differential Equations)

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The discussion revolves around applying Newton's law of cooling to determine the time of death in a forensic context. The original poster presents a scenario involving temperature measurements of a corpse over time and seeks to derive the solution to the problem using differential equations.

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  • Participants explore the derivation of the temperature function and discuss the implications of the constant k. There are attempts to set up equations based on temperature readings at specific times and to relate these to the time of death.

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Some participants express confidence in the calculations leading to a conclusion about the time of death, while others question the lecturer's interpretation. There is ongoing exploration of the first part of the question, particularly regarding the meaning of the negative sign in the temperature equation and the determination of the constant C.

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Participants note potential discrepancies in the lecturer's feedback and discuss the implications of assumptions made in the problem setup. There is also mention of external resources that may assist in understanding the concepts involved.

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Homework Statement



Newton’s law of cooling states that the rate of change of temperature of an object is proportional
to the difference between the temperature, T, of the object and that of its surroundings,
Ts. Derive the solution

T(t) = Ts + (T0 − Ts) e−kt,
where T0 is the temperature at t = 0 and k is a constant whose meaning should be identified.
The corpse was found in an air-conditioned room. The forensic scientist measured the body
temperature of the victim at 2am and found it to be 25C; by 3am it had fallen to 21C. The
temperature of a living body is 37C and the temperature of the room was 19C.
At what time did the murder take place?

(Hints: measure time from the time of death, td; write down equations for the body temperature
at 2am & 3 am.)

Homework Equations



for y' + ay = b

y=b/a + Ce-ax


The Attempt at a Solution



Almost at a complete loss on this one.

for the first part of this question i have

T' =k(T - Ts)
T'/k = T-Ts
T'/k - T = -Ts

so using y=b/a + Ce-ax for y'+ay=b

T= Ts + Cekt

I'm not sure this is correct since I'm missing a negative sign before the k in the exponential. also what is k? I know its some kind of proportionality constant but what name does it have? I'm also not sure how to show that C = (T0-Ts).

for the second part i have

25=19+Ce-kt1
21=19+Ce-kt2


Ce-kt1=6
Ce-kt2=2

dividing one by the other gives 3=e-k(t2-t1) -- t2-t1=1hr

also
37=19+Ce-kt0

Ce-kt0=18

dividing this by Ce-kt1=6 gives

e-k(t1-t0)=3 where t0 is the time of death.

since e-k(t1-t0)=e-k(t2-t1)=3
t1-t0 must = t2-t1 = 1hr

therefore the murder must have taken place one hour before the first temperature reading was taken at 2am. so the murder must have taken place at 1am.
this seems correct to me but my lecturer seems to think it took place at 12am. Can anyone see where i might have gone wrong or is this one of those rare occasions when the lecturer is incorrect?
 
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IRNB: Your lecturer appears to be incorrect. Your answer is correct.
 
Roughing it out I get:

6 = 18/ekt1

ekt = 3 or kt = 1.1

2 = 18/ek(t1 + 1)

ek(t1 + 1) = 9 or k*(t1 + 1) = 2.2

==> k = 1.1 and t = 1

Same result. Perhaps a polite inquiry of your lecturer ...?
 
Thanks guys. Perhaps my lecturer was just in hurry or something and made a mistake.

can anyone help out with the first part of the question? does the negative sign simply mean that the temperature is decreasing and the rate at which it changes also decreases with time? also does anyone have any ideas on how to show that C=T0-Ts?

Thanks again guys.
 
thanks a lot LowlyPion that did help.

this case is now closed. :P
 

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