At what times does the object intersect one of the coordinate planes?

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The discussion revolves around a vector function r(t) = {sin(pi*t), ln(t), (1/4)e^t} and the conditions under which the object intersects the coordinate axes and planes. Participants are exploring the intersections with the z-axis, x-axis, and y-axis, as well as the conditions for being in the first octant.

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  • Participants discuss the conditions for intersection with the axes, noting that both x(t) and y(t) must be zero simultaneously for the z-axis intersection. They also consider the forms of points in the coordinate planes and how to determine the values of t for these intersections.

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Some participants have provided reasoning about the necessary conditions for intersections, while others are seeking clarification on how to approach finding when the object intersects the coordinate planes. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the equations involved.

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Participants express uncertainty about how to begin solving the problem and are looking for guidance on the mathematical approach without receiving direct solutions. There are mentions of specific values for t that satisfy certain conditions, but no consensus on the complete solution has been reached.

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Homework Statement


r(t)={sin(pi*t),ln(t),((1/4)e^t}

At what time(s) does the object intersect one of the coordinate axes?

At what time(s) does the object intersect one of the coordinate planes?

During what times t is the object in the first octant?


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Not sure??

The Attempt at a Solution



I know points on the z-axis have the form (0,0,z). The curve will intersect the z-axis if x(t) and y(t) are both 0 at the same time (t value). Same for the x-axis and y-axis.

Points in the yz-plane have the form (0,y,z), the x-coordinate of the point must be 0. So for this I need to find the values of t for which x(t)=0. Same for the xy- and xz-planes.

I really am not sure how to start. Can anyone point me in the right direction?? Formula maybe?? Or show me an example done using a position vector?
 
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ShakeECET109 said:

Homework Statement


r(t)={sin(pi*t),ln(t),((1/4)e^t}

At what time(s) does the object intersect one of the coordinate axes?

At what time(s) does the object intersect one of the coordinate planes?

During what times t is the object in the first octant?


Homework Equations



Not sure??

The Attempt at a Solution



I know points on the z-axis have the form (0,0,z). The curve will intersect the z-axis if x(t) and y(t) are both 0 at the same time (t value). Same for the x-axis and y-axis.

Points in the yz-plane have the form (0,y,z), the x-coordinate of the point must be 0. So for this I need to find the values of t for which x(t)=0. Same for the xy- and xz-planes.

I really am not sure how to start. Can anyone point me in the right direction?? Formula maybe?? Or show me an example done using a position vector?
Your reasoning is correct, so you have already made a good start. Your vector function r(t) lists x(t), y(t), and z(t). For the first problem you need to have sin(pi*t) = 0 and ln(t) = 0 for the same value of t.

A point is in the first octant if all three coordinates are positive.
 
Mark44 said:
Your reasoning is correct, so you have already made a good start. Your vector function r(t) lists x(t), y(t), and z(t). For the first problem you need to have sin(pi*t) = 0 and ln(t) = 0 for the same value of t.

A point is in the first octant if all three coordinates are positive.

sin(pi*t) = 0
sooo sin(pi*t)=ln(t) , then solve for t?
ln(t) = 0
 
ShakeECET109 said:
sin(pi*t) = 0
sooo sin(pi*t)=ln(t) , then solve for t?
ln(t) = 0
No, you don't just want the points at which sin(pi*t) = ln(t) - you want to solve the system of equations
sin(pi*t) = 0
ln(t) = 0
 
Ohhh soo...
[URL]http://www2.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP118919ha265g6c4b58g80000500gabba95c6h992?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=23&w=156&h=18[/URL]
[URL]http://www2.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP119419ha265g6c4b58g8000022fg02efc8adeba9?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=23&w=500&h=22[/URL]

so x and y are 0 when t = 1 and I have to do the same for the x and y-axis because that was for the z axis?
 
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any help on how to find when it intersects a plane??
 
Your image links are bad.
ShakeECET109 said:
Ohhh soo...
[URL]http://www2.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP118919ha265g6c4b58g80000500gabba95c6h992?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=23&w=156&h=18[/URL]
[URL]http://www2.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP119419ha265g6c4b58g8000022fg02efc8adeba9?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=23&w=500&h=22[/URL]

so x and y are 0 when t = 1 and I have to do the same for the x and y-axis because that was for the z axis?
Yes.
 
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ShakeECET109 said:
any help on how to find when it intersects a plane??
Do what you described in post #1
ShakeECET109 said:
Points in the yz-plane have the form (0,y,z), the x-coordinate of the point must be 0. So for this I need to find the values of t for which x(t)=0. Same for the xy- and xz-planes.
 

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