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At which pH does your skin burn?

  1. Apr 9, 2009 #1
    I searched up NaOH and saw that it's irritating at 0,05 to 0,5 mol/l. So I guess at a pH of 12,7 you will burn your skin. Is that true?

    I'm going to do an experiment with 5% NaOH. I thought it was a very small concentration but actually you could burn quite a bit with this solution after a little calculation.
     
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  3. Apr 9, 2009 #2

    Borek

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    It all depends on the several factors. Time, temperature and concentration being those most important.

    Besides - what does 'burn' mean? Is it defined precisely enough?
     
  4. Apr 9, 2009 #3

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    Borek has a good point. Acids are fairly "honest" chemicals, in that they usually cause physical discomfort if they are strong enough to injure your skin. Caustics, on the other hand, can cause damage without much initial discomfort, and are notoriously hard to wash off the skin. So if "burn" means "causes physiological damage", that is different than if "burn" means "causes physical discomfort".
     
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  5. Apr 9, 2009 #4

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    What do you mean by do an experiment? Sounds ominous...
     
  6. Apr 10, 2009 #5
    Let's say:

    20 °C, 3 minutes exposure (then washed with water), physiological damage (skin can be scraped off or hurts when you touch it or is completely red).

    Which pH will do this?


    The test is:

    We want to spray 2% NaOH with a spray nozzle up to 3 meters far into a pipe to mix it with some powder that is coming from a reactor. We need to neutralize this acidic powder. There is an airflow of 40 m/sec in a 300 mm pipe diameter and 15 m long. The powder comes in perpendicular to the pipe at 1300 kg/hour.

    Just want to implement safety precautions.
     
  7. Apr 13, 2009 #6

    chemisttree

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    Consider anything over pH 10 to be a caustic hazard. What concentration of NaOH will produce this pH?

    If you are in the US, you should know that OSHA is not a small town in Wisconsin...

    http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=INTERPRETATIONS&p_id=27181

    Let us know how the rabbits do.


    AND... don't tell anyone you get your advice from an online bulletin board. You might want to consider consulting a http://www.abih.org/general/cihcaih.html" [Broken].
     
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  8. Apr 17, 2009 #7
    A few years back when I was involved in Hazardous Material Emergency Response, we were taught that anything with a pH below 2.5 or above 12.5 was corrosive to skin. I have looked through some of my old reference material but I can't find anything to verify that. Perhaps you could give your local Fire Dept Hazmat Team a call. They should know.
     
  9. Jan 12, 2010 #8
    Working in an oil refinery's hydrogen plant I had to charge the 'benfield system' with sodium bicarbonate. The tank was in a confined area. Outside (this was northern Canada) it was -45 so I was wearing heavy clothing. Naturally I began to perspire - perspire in the dust of the bags of sodium bicarbonate (Hooker Chemical Co.) I was adding to the mix.

    When the task was completed I went about some other duties, outside. After about 45 minutes I came back to the kitchen/rest area and my workmates began to yell at me ... "Wash your face! Wash your face!"
    The bicarbonate and my perspiration has united to form NAOH and that had burned off the outer layer of the skin on my face .. but in the cold I had not felt it. (UNTIL IT WARMED UP.)

    Serious pain action there for a couple of weeks. :redface:
     
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