Attraction between coaxial solenoids

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The discussion revolves around the interaction between two coaxial solenoids with current flowing in the same direction. Participants explore the nature of the forces acting between the solenoids, specifically whether they attract or repel each other, using the right hand rule as a reference for their reasoning.

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  • One participant asserts that two coaxial solenoids with current in the same direction should attract each other, but struggles with the right hand rule leading to a conclusion of repulsion.
  • Another participant suggests that a small solenoid in the magnetic field of a larger solenoid experiences a stretching effect rather than straightforward attraction or repulsion, indicating a more complex interaction.
  • A third participant requests a graphical representation to clarify the application of the right hand rule and its implications for the forces between the solenoids.
  • One participant acknowledges the presence of repelling forces as indicated by the right hand rule but also notes that attractive forces exist at the ends of the coils, suggesting a nuanced interaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the forces between the solenoids, with some asserting attraction and others suggesting repulsion, leading to an unresolved discussion regarding the correct interpretation of the right hand rule in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the right hand rule and its implications but do not reach a consensus on the resulting forces. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of solenoids and the interpretation of magnetic fields, which remain unresolved.

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Can anyone help me understand why two coaxial solenoids separated by a distance x, with current flowing in the same direction in each solenoid, would be attracted to each other using the right hand rule?

Im sure they would be attracted to one another (with the current flowing in the same direction, the poles are arranged N-S / N-S), but when i try to use the right hand rule I end up saying that there would be a repulsive force.

Anybody know where I'm going wrong?


Any help appreciated


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Let's consider a small solenoid in the magnetic field of a large solenoid. Using the right hand rule we see that the small solenoid is not attracted or repelled, it's streched. (radially)


Let's say the small solenoid is elastic. When it enlarges, the direction of the magnetic field that it's in gradually changes.


So: First we imagine a small solenoid, we are using the right hand rule, our thumb is pointing in the direction of the streching force pulling some part of the solenoid, then we start turning our middle finger away from the axis of the solenoid, our thumb is turning to the appropriate direction.
 
Thank you for the reply, but is there a way you can show that graphically?

I've attached a diagram of why I think using the right hand rule the solenoids would repel if that helps.
 

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There is a repelling force then, let's believe whatewer the right had rule says. But there's an attractive force at the other ends of the coils.

The repelling forces in the picture are actually attractive forces towards the other end of the same coil.(I would advice leaving one coils magnetic field out of the picture)
 
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