Back to basics: What exactly is an emission spectrum?

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The discussion centers around the nature of emission spectra, particularly in relation to time and measurement. Participants explore how emission spectra are represented, whether they are instantaneous or vary over time, and the implications of these characteristics in different contexts, including sonoluminescence and chemical changes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how emission spectra relate to time and whether they are instantaneous measurements or vary over time.
  • Another participant suggests that simple gases have a constant emission spectrum, implying that the spectrum does not change over time.
  • A later reply confirms that for non-changing sources, the spectrum can be considered an instantaneous imprint, allowing for multiple measurements to be plotted on a single chart.
  • One participant mentions that in some cases, such as during chemical changes, the spectrum can vary and be used to study the timescale of those changes.
  • Another participant notes that when studying radiation from distant sources, the spectrum may not appear to change significantly, but broadening could occur due to various factors.
  • There is mention of literature that discusses the variability of emission and absorption spectra, particularly in semiconductors, due to dynamic processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether emission spectra are constant or can vary over time. Some suggest that for stable sources, the spectrum remains unchanged, while others indicate that changes can occur under certain conditions, leading to an unresolved discussion on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific scenarios where emission spectra may change, such as during chemical reactions or in dynamic systems, but the discussion does not resolve the conditions under which these changes occur or the implications for measurement.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying spectroscopy, sonoluminescence, or the behavior of gases and materials under varying conditions, as well as individuals exploring the implications of emission spectra in experimental and theoretical contexts.

rwooduk
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This will probably end up being a stupid question with a simple answer, but if you don't ask and just accept things then where's the understanding?

Anyway, the spectrum of emission is usually shown as some form of Intensity vs Wavelength, my question is how does it relate to time and how is it measured?

Does it vary with time or is it an instantaneous measurement of all the wavelengths emitted in the process? Does the wavelength change?

I'm presently doing a dissertation on sonoluminescence and it occurred to me that my (very) basic knowledge of spectra is lacking, I've included a graph of the spectra for various gases (the gas in the bubble as it collapses and emits light)

Any comments would be welcome!

Thanks.
 

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Don't such simple gasses have a constant emission spectrum? The sun doesn't change colour, you get the same wavelength of light beating down each day.
 
mal4mac said:
Don't such simple gasses have a constant emission spectrum? The sun doesn't change colour, you get the same wavelength of light beating down each day.

Thanks for the reply, so all the wavelengths are emitted at once in effectively one beam of light? and the spectrum is an instantaneous imprint that does not vary with time?
 
rwooduk said:
Thanks for the reply, so all the wavelengths are emitted at once in effectively one beam of light? and the spectrum is an instantaneous imprint that does not vary with time?

Yes. A graph such as the one you posted applies to a source that is not changing over time, so we can take multiple measurements at multiple frequencies at our leisure, and then plot them all on a single chart to get the curve.

If you have a time-varying source, then you need either a way to make multiple measurements in a time that is small compared to the rate of change (so you effectively get a snapshot) or you need to run the experiment multiple times on a similar setup.
 
Nugatory said:
Yes. A graph such as the one you posted applies to a source that is not changing over time, so we can take multiple measurements at multiple frequencies at our leisure, and then plot them all on a single chart to get the curve.

If you have a time-varying source, then you need either a way to make multiple measurements in a time that is small compared to the rate of change (so you effectively get a snapshot) or you need to run the experiment multiple times on a similar setup.

Excellent, that's just what I needed to know, thanks!
 
I have heard of situations in which the spectrum changes during a chemical change and that can be used to study the actual timescale of the change. For instance, in MRI, it is possible to study the spectrum (although admittedly, the absorption spectrum) [edit - as it changes in time] and to identify the composition of tissue as well as the density.
If you were studying the spectrum of received radiation from a distant source that was changing with time, the spectrum would probably not appear to be 'changing' because the whole source would probably not be changing at the same time. The effect would be more likely to be a broadening of the spectrum - more than could be explained by the temperature of the source.
 
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rwooduk said:
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Any comments would be welcome!

Thanks.

Emission spectra (and conversely, absorption spectra) can vary with time, sometimes by quite a lot, especially in the case of semiconductors due to the dynamic processes present.

To your specific question, there's a bit of literature out there:

http://scitation.aip.org/content/asa/journal/jasa/116/4/10.1121/1.4785139
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/abstractKeywords.jsp?arnumber=4332307
 

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