leroyjenkens said:I've talked to those strawmen.
Yes, people think that way too. I don't know how to scientifically prove what someone is thinking, so I have to go by what they say. Thoughts can only manifest as words. Whether or not that's what they're thinking is impossible to know.Tobias Funke said:Good anecdotal evidence of what "people" [weasel words--what people?] think. Always welcome on PF.
You're wrong though. People actually think that when someone is negligent (at best) and someone dies as a result they should be charged with a crime. They know the difference between "charged" and "convicted". They like purple mittens. I've talked to them!
leroyjenkens said:Yes, people think that way too. I don't know how to scientifically prove what someone is thinking, so I have to go by what they say. Thoughts can only manifest as words. Whether or not that's what they're thinking is impossible to know.
I can't say what the typical person celebrating the charges is thinking, but I'm betting there's some of those people I described in the mix. And I'm not sure one person can express anything other than a one-sided view, unless they have multiple personalities disorder.Tobias Funke said:The issue I had with your post was that you strongly implied that you were describing a typical person celebrating the charges. I can't prove that's what you wanted to do any more than you can prove what someone is thinking, but it was yet another one-sided view. I think the people in Baltimore understand much more about the situation than any of us do, yet the conservatives only want everyone to remain silent until we have all the information to the point that it suits them; notice how nobody responded with their typical faux-neutrality when people criticized the charges as being too severe.
leroyjenkens said:I can't say what the typical person celebrating the charges is thinking, but I'm betting there's some of those people I described in the mix. And I'm not sure one person can express anything other than a one-sided view, unless they have multiple personalities disorder.
The people of Baltimore understand much more about the Freddie Gray incident than we do? I don't see how that's necessarily true.
I'm sure that's true, but unfortunately the only people who can fix it are the rioters and the community that creates them. Unless...lisab said:This is bigger than the one isolated case of Freddie Gray. The people who react strongly are probably having an emotional reaction based on their own experiences with the police and/or justice system.
leroyjenkens said:I can't say what the typical person celebrating the charges is thinking, but I'm betting there's some of those people I described in the mix. And I'm not sure one person can express anything other than a one-sided view, unless they have multiple personalities disorder.
leroyjenkens said:The people of Baltimore understand much more about the Freddie Gray incident than we do? I don't see how that's necessarily true.
I'd bet very few of them have personally been treated unjustly by the police.This is bigger than the one isolated case of Freddie Gray. The people who react strongly are probably having an emotional reaction based on their own experiences with the police and/or justice system.
It's hypocritical to criticize a person for assuming what's in the head of other people and then going ahead and doing that very same thing yourself.Well, they probably understand that only one officer was actually charged with murder (along with numerous lesser charges).
I'm not here to boast about my knowledge; I know very little. "We" encompasses a lot more people than just me.The rest were charged with various degrees of assault or involuntary manslaughter. Nothing about your post leads me to believe that you knew that.
I too am interested in this topic... Someone should start a discussion about it.Greg Bernhardt said:I need to read up on this topic. I've heard it referenced a lot, but don't know anything about it. Sounds very interesting.
Curiously when I google search it, mostly conservative blogs are listed.Muti said:I too am interested in this topic... Someone should start a discussion about it.
leroyjenkens said:I'm not here to boast about my knowledge; I know very little. "We" encompasses a lot more people than just me.
Greg Bernhardt said:Curiously when I google search it, mostly conservative blogs are listed.
What is issue with most of peoples here... I admit most of peoples are very knowledgeable and that is why it is their right to ridicule anyone based on their thinking that being more knowledgeable they have a right. Preaching freedom of speech and unable of to listen to anything they consider wrong. Wow ... Lastly if we have a few more of such enlightened peoples we may have first no animals left in this world because animals can not solve mathematics and physics question. Then ...Tobias Funke said:Then why post confidently about what people think?
Muti said:What is issue with most of peoples here... I admit most of peoples are very knowledgeable and that is why it is their right to ridicule anyone based on their thinking that being more knowledgeable they have a right. Preaching freedom of speech and unable of to listen to anything they consider wrong. Wow ... Lastly if we have a few more of such enlightened peoples we may have first no animals left in this world because animals can not solve mathematics and physics question. Then ...
Thank you for enlightening me. Next time I will not be sensitive rather I just walk away shaking my head...nsaspook said:freedom of speech also includes the right to ignore that speech or just walk away shaking your head.
Esnas said:Thank you, JakeBrodskyPE, for what appears to me to be your honest thoughts on the conversation that I raised above. I can certainly see that "state of mind", despair, anger and a belief that things have not gotten better would be the background for the recent destruction in Baltimore. I've only been to Baltimore once many years ago to visit a Black friend who had finished his graduate degree at Oxford (in England) so I guess that he does not count. I know no other people in Baltimore (that I am aware of). I assume that you do know "many people in West Baltimore" who were part of the protest group. Am I correct in paraphrasing you to say that these people have (1) no ambition, (2) have a culture of utter despair and (3) lack drive? I'm not sure what a "religious sense of duty" would look like. This is enough for now and I've only dealt with your first paragraph! Maybe the second paragraph next time. I shall continue to read your responses carefully but I cannot guarantee that we will arrive at the same meaning.
The point was to confirm from you that I had correctly understood your first paragraph. I did this by paraphrasing what seemed to be conveyed in your first paragraph. I was simply waiting for that confirmation and/or an expansion of the points that you already made in that paragraph. Generally, I prefer to take things very slowly. A few points at a time.JakeBrodskyPE said:I'm not sure what the point of your reply was. If you would like to suggest an alternate point of view, please do so.
JakeBrodskyPE said:I am going to say things that may get taken the wrong way, so please read carefully:
I am "privileged." Most who post here are of that ilk. We're privileged because we grew up in reasonably whole families, in communities that cared for us, and that we were able to learn the lessons our society cares most about. At one point in our lives, my parents and I were on welfare. The difference between us and many people in West Baltimore is that we had ambition, a religious sense of duty, and a feeling that we weren't going to stay this way.