Basic Circuit Problems - KVL and KCL

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The discussion revolves around solving a circuit problem involving Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) to find the value of resistor R2 in a given circuit. Participants explore the implications of their calculations and the concepts of voltage and current in the context of circuit analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to apply KCL and KVL to find R2, concluding that the calculated resistance appears negative, which raises questions about the validity of the result.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the voltage across the 1 ohm resistor and its relationship to R2.
  • A different participant calculates the voltage drop across the 1 ohm resistor, suggesting that the voltage drop is 10V based on their interpretation of the circuit.
  • One participant mentions that knowing the voltage drop and current through R2 allows for its value to be calculated.
  • Another participant notes that while resistance cannot be negative, the negative result arises from the direction of current flow being opposite to what was initially assumed.
  • There is a mention of an alternative method that relies more on sign conventions, which is described as more "politically correct" but yields the same result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the interpretation of current direction and its effect on resistance calculations. There is no consensus on the correct approach or resolution of the negative resistance issue.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the implications of current direction and sign conventions in circuit analysis, which may affect the calculations presented.

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Homework Statement


Find R_2 in the circuit below.

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Homework Equations


Kirchoff's Current Law:
\sum {I_{IN} } = \sum {I_{OUT} }

Kirchoff's Voltage Law:
\sum {V = 0}

The Attempt at a Solution



Using KCL for the node joining the 8ohm resistor, R2 and the 1 ohm resistor:
i_1 = i_2 + 2

Now using KVL for the shortest route down the 1 ohm resistor from the voltage source.
- 10 + 8i_1 + 2 = 0\; \Rightarrow \;i_1 = 1\;A

From the first equation;
i_2 = i_1 - 2 = 1 - 2 = - 1\;AUntil this point, everything seems logical, and I think it is right.

Now in order to solve for R_2 I must now use V = IR correct?

But, am I right in saying that because the voltage is flowing in the same direction and has changed by 2V, that the potential difference = 2V. Therefore R_2 = \frac{2}{{ - 1}} = - 2\;\Omega.
Resistance can't be negative though can it?

Can someone explain the situation in simple terms or what laws govern this?
I'm happy to read further if some people can give me some hints in the right direction.

Cheers
Steven.
 
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What is the voltage across the 1 ohm resistor?
R2 has one side connected with the 1 ohm resistor and the other connected to the 12V source. What is the voltage drop across it?
 
CEL said:
What is the voltage across the 1 ohm resistor?

V=IR = (2)(1) = 2V

CEL said:
R2 has one side connected with the 1 ohm resistor and the other connected to the 12V source. What is the voltage drop across it?

The Voltage drop is therefore 12 - 2 = 10V?
 
Knowing the voltage drop and the current through R2, you can calculate its value.
 
excellent cheers mate.

I was also shown another method today which involved more dependability on the sign conventions, but is more politically correct, yet yields the same result.
 
resistance can never be negative
but it coming negative because direction of current taken is opposite

you can call this beauty of kvl and kcl
 
steven10137 said:
Resistance can't be negative though can it?

Of course the resistance cannot be negative, but the problem is resolved by realizing the direction of the current is into the common node of the resistors, not away from it.
 

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