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Beautiful Shahar Hod relax time lower bound-connecting to Third Law

  1. Nov 1, 2006 #1


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    Beautiful Shahar Hod relax time lower bound---connecting to Third Law

    The investigation of BHs by Shahar Hod has had a big impact Quantum Gravity. Everybody remembers the substantial hoo-hah about BH resonant frequencies, which was set off by Hod. John Baez had a piece in Nature magazine about it, I think in 2003 or 2004.

    So we should be alert to anything new from Hod, and maybe it could impact QG.

    This new thing is very simple and beautiful. It is a lower bound on relax time of a perturbed thermodynamic system, which he says BLACK HOLES ACHIEVE which makes them the fastest relaxing things in the world.

    It has been said that the ringing of a BH is more like the ringing of a marshmallow than the ringing of a bell. The vibration damps itself out very quickly.

    Hod has investigated how fast things can damp out. He find it is reciprocal to the TEMPERATURE. As the temp goes to zero the minimum possible relaxation time goes to infinity.

    He says this is a practical explanation of the THIRD LAW because the colder it gets the longer it takes to settle down to the next lower temp. So Achilles never freezes the rabbit. Something like that.

    Summary.— In this Letter we have derived a universal
    bound on relaxation times of perturbed thermodynamic
    systems, [tex]\tau \geq \hbar/\pi T[/tex]. The relaxation bound is a direct
    consequence of quantum information theory and thermodynamic
    We conjecture that a relation of this form could serve
    as a quantitative way to express the third-law of thermodynamics.
    Namely, one cannot reach a temperature T
    in a timescale shorter than [tex] \hbar/\pi T[/tex] (which indeed goes to
    infinity in the limit of absolute zero of temperature, in
    accord with the third-law).
    Remarkably, black holes comply with the dynamical
    bound; in fact they have relaxation times which are of
    the same order of magnitude as [tex]\tau_{min}[/tex], the minimal relaxation
    time allowed by quantum theory. Moreover, extremal
    black holes (in the TBH ->0 limit) actually attain
    the bound– their relaxation time is infinitely long. Since
    black holes saturate the fundamental bound, we conclude
    that when judged by their relaxation properties, black
    holes are the most extreme objects in nature.
    Universal Bound on Dynamical Relaxation Times and Black-Hole Quasinormal Ringing
    Shahar Hod
    4 pages

    "From information theory and thermodynamic considerations a universal bound on the relaxation time [tex]\tau[/tex] of a perturbed system is inferred, [tex]\tau \geq \hbar/\pi T[/tex], where T is the system's temperature. We prove that black holes comply with the bound; in fact they actually saturate it. Thus, when judged by their relaxation properties, black holes are the most extreme objects in nature, having the maximum relaxation rate which is allowed by quantum theory. "
    Last edited: Nov 2, 2006
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  3. Nov 2, 2006 #2


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    Hunh! Not only in QG! This result could have a big effect on condensed matter physics, which let us recall, is about 90% of all physics done, and has its own "Beyond the SM" sector, eg. nonlinear optics and fractional quantum Hall effect.
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