Benefits of Finishing Physics Degree for High School Teaching

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the benefits of completing a physics degree for obtaining a high school teaching position, particularly in the context of alternative certification routes and job market considerations. Participants explore the requirements for teaching physics, the viability of alternative certification, and the demand for physics teachers compared to other science subjects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the time required to complete a physics degree versus the urgency to start a teaching career, questioning if finishing the degree offers any benefits.
  • Several participants note that many states require high school teachers to have a bachelor's degree in their subject area, although there is some disagreement about whether this applies strictly to physics.
  • Some participants argue that it is possible to teach physics with a general science degree if the certification test is passed, which typically covers material below AP Physics level.
  • Concerns are raised about the job market for physics teachers, with one participant suggesting that schools often prefer teachers who can cover multiple science subjects, potentially limiting demand for dedicated physics teachers.
  • Another participant mentions that while physics may have fewer students, there is also a shortage of qualified physics teachers, creating a complex situation for job seekers.
  • Discussion includes the alternative certification route available in New York, with questions about its viability and the perception of qualifications without a full physics major.
  • One participant highlights their confidence in teaching various science subjects despite pursuing certification primarily in physics.
  • Clarification is provided that New York does not require the Praxis tests for certification, which may influence the decision-making process for potential teachers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the necessity of completing a physics degree for teaching, the requirements for certification, and the job market dynamics. There is no clear consensus on the best path forward, indicating multiple competing perspectives remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention varying state requirements for teaching certification and the differing demand for physics versus other science teachers, which may affect individual decisions. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the implications of alternative certification routes and the perceived value of a physics degree in the job market.

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i'm currently 27 and still living at home. i'd like to start a career as soon as possible. it is extremely stressful living at home. after this spring term i will have the 30 credits i need to get state certified for teaching physics. does it pay to complete the physics degree in any way? i already have a bachelor's in another subject from a few years ago and it would take me another year to finish the physics degree on top of the upcoming semester - the idea of that is frightening. i want to be on my own as soon as possible. are there any benefits to finishing the degree in terms of becoming a high school teacher? any advice is greatly appreciated - just please don't tell me to get any petty day job just to leave the nest asap and do my physics degree at the same time - unfortunately that isn't an option for me. that being said, is there any benefit in my situation to finishing the degree? Thanks for your input!
 
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I am not an expert on this, but don't most states (I'm assuming you are in the U.S.) require high school teachers to be both certified in and have a bachelor's degree in their subject of specialty?
 


G01 said:
I am not an expert on this, but don't most states (I'm assuming you are in the U.S.) require high school teachers to be both certified in and have a bachelor's degree in their subject of specialty?

No on the degree of their subject of specialty part although I really think it should be that way. You can pretty much have any science degree and teach physics as long as you pass the certification test for that subject which is usually physics questions below the level of AP Physics.
 


When I was a freshman physics major in the second University/Calculus Physics class my lab partner was a current high school physics teacher. He couldn't keep up and dropped the class.
 


jesse73 said:
No on the degree of their subject of specialty part although I really think it should be that way. You can pretty much have any science degree and teach physics as long as you pass the certification test for that subject which is usually physics questions below the level of AP Physics.

ModusPwnd said:
When I was a freshman physics major in the second University/Calculus Physics class my lab partner was a current high school physics teacher. He couldn't keep up and dropped the class.

:eek:

:rolleyes:
 


No - in my state you only need 30 credits if you already have a bachelor's degree. And it's a major state.
 


You'll probably want more than just an alternate certification for physics to get a teaching job in the current market (schools have been slowly downsizing for years). Most schools don't want a physics teacher, they want a science teacher they can use for bio/chem/physics,etc (in some states there is no specific physics requirement to graduate high school, so there is little demand for physics teachers).

I don't know what state your in, but I'd say do whatever is necessary to get the broadest certification you can.
 


by the same token it is easy to get certification to teach other subjects (biology and chemistry) so I would get those.
 
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I know both the physics teachers at my high school have degrees in physics (one a bachelor's and the other a master's) and our teachers that were responsible for AP Chemistry had chemistry degrees.

Basically if you taught AP anything, you had a degree in it. Maybe the normal ones you could get away with.
 
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the thing is that physics is not as commonly taken so its needed by less students but there are also less physics teachers. the easy sciences are taken by more students but everyone and their grandmother is getting certified in biology at my school - the physical sciences seem to have a shortage of qualified teachers but again less students take them. So it's like damned if you do, damned if you don't. : (
 
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I'm in NYC btw, if that helps. my question is why would they have an alt cert route if it wasn't viable? a piece of paper doesn't necessarily mean you know the physics well, and you can know physics well without the paper.
 
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and i have taken a lot of other science courses so i could teach any science they gave me basically, although my cert would be in physics. i definitely feel confident enough to teach any high school science. the question is will they give me the chance to show that w/o the full physics major - just having an alt cert route? plus in terms of the economy, i don't think science teachers have to search that long in nyc. so now that I've given all that more detail about location i guess i should reask the question hah.
 
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torquemada said:
I'm in NYC btw, if that helps.
Yes, it does. I was going to ask you about the Praxis tests (some states require it), but it looks like New York doesn't.
 

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