Bernoulli's equation does not always work?

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Bernoulli's equation is not applicable in scenarios involving hydraulic jumps due to energy dissipation. The discussion highlights that while mass conservation can establish a relationship between inflow and outflow depths, applying Bernoulli's equation yields different results than those obtained through conservation of momentum. Hydraulic jumps convert laminar flow into turbulent flow, leading to energy loss that Bernoulli's equation does not account for. The average velocity used in calculations does not reflect the local velocities present in the fluid. Thus, the incompatibility between energy conservation in Bernoulli's equation and the energy dissipation during hydraulic jumps is emphasized.
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Alright so first I found a relationship between z1 (depth of inflow) and z2 (depth of outflow) using mass conservation. I found that 5 * z1 = z2 and I know this is correct because the answer key has the same relationship.

Next I decided to use bernoulli's equation to find another equation to relate z1 and z2. So using the streamline on the free surface:

P1 + 0.5 * rho * V1^2 + rho * g * z1 = P2 + 0.5 * rho * V2^2 + rho * g * z2

Since the streamline is on the free surface, P1 = P2 = Patm, so they pressures will cancel out and I am left with:

0.5 * rho * V1^2 + rho * g * z1 = 0.5 * rho * V2^2 + rho * g * z2

Plugging the numbers in, cancelling the rhos and substituting z2 = 5 * z1:

0.5 * (5)^2 + (9.81) * z1 = 0.5 * (1)^2 + 9.81 * (5 * z1)

Solving this yields z1 = 0.3058m...


HOWEVER this is not the same answer as the one given in the solution manual... The solution manual uses conservation of momentum. Why is it that bernoulli's does not work in this case?
 
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Hydraulic jumps dissipate energy. Bernoulli's equation is about conservation of energy. The two are not compatible.
 
voko said:
Hydraulic jumps dissipate energy. Bernoulli's equation is about conservation of energy. The two are not compatible.

Why and how does it dissipate energy?
 
The laminar flow is turned into turbulent; the velocity of 1 m/s is the average velocity of the flow, not the real (local) velocity anywhere of the fluid, which is much greater.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_jump
 
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