Bessel decomposition for arbitrary function

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The discussion revolves around the decomposition of arbitrary functions into series of Bessel functions, specifically focusing on the first-kind Bessel functions. Participants explore the conditions under which such decompositions can occur, the implications of using different orders of Bessel functions, and the challenges faced when the original function contains multiple orders of Bessel functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an orthogonality condition for the first-kind Bessel function and proposes a decomposition of an arbitrary function into a series of Bessel functions of order m.
  • Another participant suggests that any Bessel function can be expanded in terms of Bessel functions of different orders, indicating a flexibility in the choice of basis functions.
  • A request for an identity to support the claim of expanding Bessel functions of different orders is made, highlighting a lack of familiarity with this concept among some participants.
  • It is noted that Bessel function expansions arise naturally due to the eigenfunction properties of Bessel functions under different Sturm-Liouville operators, suggesting a rationale for choosing specific orders for expansion.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about which order of Bessel functions to use for their specific case, where the original function contains Bessel functions of different orders.
  • A suggestion is made to clarify the type of problem being addressed to facilitate better understanding among participants.
  • A participant describes their approach to approximating a function using Bessel functions that satisfy specific boundary conditions, expressing uncertainty about the analytical methods for achieving this using orthogonality and identities of Bessel functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to decompose functions containing multiple orders of Bessel functions. There are competing views on the necessity and methodology for such decompositions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal strategies to apply.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, including the dependence on boundary conditions and the specific nature of the original function. There are unresolved questions about the mathematical steps required for the decomposition and the choice of basis functions.

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Orthogonality condition for the 1st-kind Bessel function J_m
$$\int_0^R J_m(\alpha_{mp})J_m(\alpha_{mq})rdr=\delta_{pq}\frac{R^2}{2}J_{m \pm 1}^2(\alpha_{mn}),$$
where α_{mn} is the n^{th} positive root of J_m(r), suggests that an original function f(r) could be decomposed into a series of 1-st kind Bessel functions of order m:
$$f(r)=\sum_n a_n\cdot J_m(\alpha_{m,n}*r/R),$$ with $$a_n=\frac{2}{R^2J_{m \pm 1}^2(\alpha_{mn})}\int_0^R J_m(\alpha_{mn}*r/R) f(r) r dr$$. However what if the original function is something like:
$$f(r)=\sum_n a_n\cdot J_m(\alpha_{m,n}*r/R)+b_n\cdot J_{m+1}(\alpha_{m+1,n}*r/R),$$
which combines Bessel functions of different orders. The final question is can any function be decomposed into Bessel functions someshow, like FFT/IFFT(fast Fourier transform / inverse fast Fourier transform)?
 
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A priori, you could expand any Bessel function ##J_n(\alpha_{nk'}r/R)## in terms of the Bessel functions ##J_m(\alpha_{mk}r/R)## for any fixed ##n## and ##m##. It is just a matter of using a different basis for your function space.
 
Thanks for reply. I did NOT know Bessel function of order n can be expanded into Bessel functions of order m. Could you please give me an identity?
 
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While it can be done, it is not clear why you would want to do this. In general, Bessel function expansions will arise naturally as Bessel functions of different orders are eigenfunctions of different Sturm-Liouville operators. It is therefore usually quite clear what Bessel functions you should use for your expansion.
 
In my case, I do not know which order of Bessel functions should be used as the basis functions.

In many other cases, the original profile ##f(r)## contains Bessel functions of different orders. I am wondering how can I decompose it with ##J_m(r)## with fixed ##m =1##?
 
Perhaps it would be a good idea to state the type of problem you are looking to solve. I think it would help us understand what you need better.
 
What I am doing now is simple. I have a random series ##f(r)##, with boundary condition ##f(0)=0## and ##f(1)=0##. I want to approximate it using ##J_1(\alpha_{1n}r)##, which satisfies the B.Cs.

I had a plan to solve a system of ##nr## linear equations numerically, where ##nr## is the number of grid points along ##r## direction, as follows:
$$\sum_{i=1}^{nr} a_i J_1(\alpha_{1,i}\cdot r_i)=f(r_i),$$ for ##i=1,2,3...,nr##
Not sure if it is what you are going to suggest?

Not sure how do it analytically using orthogonality and other identities of Bessel functions.
 

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