Best way to create artificial forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the creation of artificial forces that counteract the forces exerted by a hand, particularly in the context of a mechanical engineering project. Participants explore various ideas and approaches, including the use of gloves and other mechanisms to generate a perceivable opposing force.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests creating an artificial force that can be felt when pressing forward with a hand, indicating a need for a mechanism that counters this force.
  • Another participant humorously proposes a dangerous method involving concrete, which is met with caution about safety.
  • Some participants propose using spring-loaded mechanisms or stationary objects to create the desired force, while questioning the specific requirements of the project.
  • A participant suggests using a mixture of corn flour and water as a potential solution due to its anti-thixotropic properties.
  • There is a discussion about the feasibility of using magnets, with concerns raised about their potential to demagnetize credit cards and the mechanics of how they would interact with the gloves.
  • One participant proposes a mechanical harness that could provide a counter-force without direct contact with the hands.
  • Another idea involves using sensors to detect hand motion and produce an equal movement in the environment, akin to a flight simulator.
  • Humorously, hypnosis is mentioned as a possible method to create artificial forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of ideas and approaches, with no consensus on a single method or solution. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best way to create artificial forces, and the discussion includes both serious and humorous contributions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the safety and practicality of certain proposed methods, and there are unresolved questions about the specific requirements and constraints of the project.

Who May Find This Useful

Mechanical engineers, students in engineering fields, and hobbyists interested in robotics or force feedback systems may find this discussion relevant.

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First of all hello everyone, I'm a recent graduate and now I am a mechanical engineer (WEEEEE) and wanted to embark in a project that involves creating artificial forces (Newton's third law kind of forces).

The project basically must have something to counter forces exercised by a hand, i.e. if i press forward I need to create a way to have an artificial force push back. It doesn't have to be too strong but something that you can feel a force acting on it. It can include gloves or anything similar

Cheers!
 
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IMadeYouReadThis said:
I'm a recent graduate and now I am a mechanical engineer (WEEEEE) and wanted to embark in a project that involves creating artificial forces (Newton's third law kind of forces).
All forces (in inertial frames) are Newton's third law kind of forces.

IMadeYouReadThis said:
The project basically must have something to counter forces exercised by a hand,
For that hit your head with your hand. Might also give you a more interesting project idea.
 
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A.T. said:
All forces (in inertial frames) are Newton's third law kind of forces.

Love is the strongest force and is not netwon's kind of force

A.T. said:
For that hit your head with your hand. Might also give you a more interesting project idea.

And that hasnt been working lately, that's why i recurred to the forum.

Thanks for the input tho!
 
IMadeYouReadThis said:
The project basically must have something to counter forces exercised by a hand, i.e. if i press forward I need to create a way to have an artificial force push back.
Put on a pair of gloves. Mix up a batch of concrete. Put left hand in concrete. Hold still while concrete sets.

Optional: Arrange for hammer in right hand.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
Put on a pair of gloves. Mix up a batch of concrete. Put left hand in concrete. Hold still while concrete sets.

Optional: Arrange for hammer in right hand.

hahahahaha I'm loving this forum already
 
jbriggs444 said:
Put on a pair of gloves. Mix up a batch of concrete. Put left hand in concrete. Hold still while concrete sets.

I know you are weren't being serious but doing something like this can be dangerous...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ster-of-Paris-accident-during-art-lesson.html

A 16-year-old girl lost eight of her fingers when they were burned off after becoming set in plaster of Paris during a school art lesson
 
IMadeYouReadThis said:
hahahahaha I'm loving this forum already
So you are exerting the strongest force of them all. On the forum, I suppose. :)
Is this a natural (organic) or an artificial force?
 
IMadeYouReadThis said:
The project basically must have something to counter forces exercised by a hand, i.e. if i press forward I need to create a way to have an artificial force push back. It doesn't have to be too strong but something that you can feel a force acting on it. It can include gloves or anything similar
Welcome to the PF.

Something spring loaded could work. Or a stationary object? What other characteristics do you need, and why can't it just be a spring or stationary object? The more you can tell us, the better we can try to answer you. :smile:
 
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IMadeYouReadThis said:
The project basically must have something to counter forces exercised by a hand, i.e. if i press forward I need to create a way to have an artificial force push back. It doesn't have to be too strong but something that you can feel a force acting on it.

How about a bucket of corn flour and water (anti-thixotropic)?
 
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berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

Something spring loaded could work. Or a stationary object? What other characteristics do you need, and why can't it just be a spring or stationary object? The more you can tell us, the better we can try to answer you. :smile:

If I am honest i have an idea of a way i just wanted to see if people came up with different ideas. It can't be spring loaded because there cannot be any actual devices in contact with the hands.

I thought about gloves with metal parts distributed along the glove, then when it would pass a defined place or line a magnet or magnet towers or something similar would pull from behind. something like a mime if you may
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so:

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* = magnets deactivated
* = magnets activated
! = limit line
o[ = person with gloves deactivated
o{ =person with gloves activated
 
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Using magnets can be problematic, because it's way too easy to demagnetize people's credit cards, etc. You could make a mechanical harness that fits to the user's body that has arms that reach out to the hands and provide a counter-force, I suppose...
 
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berkeman said:
Using magnets can be problematic, because it's way too easy to demagnetize people's credit cards, etc. You could make a mechanical harness that fits to the user's body that has arms that reach out to the hands and provide a counter-force, I suppose...

hm, that's one of the things i thought about too, it would also be using a computer and I am not sure how much that would affect it. That second option was also an option i thought of but i wanted it to be as little invasive as possible.

putting the credit cards aside, if it was under a controlled environment with just a person, a computer and gloves do you think the magnets would work?
 
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IMadeYouReadThis said:
putting the credit cards aside, if it was under a controlled environment with just a person, a computer and gloves do you think the magnets would work?
I wouldn't think so. If you just have metal parts in the gloves, they will always be attracted to the wall magnets, which is the opposite of what you want. If you try to put magnets in the gloves and point the opposite polarity toward the wall magnet, that will for for a fraction of a second until the gloves spin around and yank the user's hands toward the wall magnets.

If you try to use an AC magnetic field and eddy currents to push the metal in the gloves away, that will create some serious heating issues in the gloves.

You may not be able to, but can you say more about the application? There may be some other options that would be more viable. :smile:
 
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How about sensors that detect motion of the hands and produce an equal movement in the room. Something like a 6 degrees of freedom flight simulator.
 
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Hypnosis might work :-)
 

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