Exploring the Possibilities: The Fate of Our Universe - Big Crunch or Big Rip?

In summary, the conversation discusses the potential end of our universe and the theory of the Big Crunch. This theory suggests that the universe will eventually collapse back in on itself after expanding from a big bang. One piece of evidence for this theory is that the amount of hydrogen being converted into helium by stars in the universe is finite, indicating that the universe has a limited lifespan. However, there are also other theories and unknown factors that could affect the end of the universe, such as the possibility of a highly exotic process that could sustain it. Additionally, observations of supernovas have shown that the universe's expansion is accelerating, leading to the development of theories involving dark energy. Overall, the conversation highlights the ongoing research and theories surrounding the end of our
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How do you think our universe will end like? I think it would be the Big crunch! One evidence is that the amount of mass in stars divided by the total amount of mass in the universe is nonzero. After some length of time, any given star will convert too much hydrogen into helium (or heavier elements) to continue nuclear fusion. From this we conclude that in unit time, the amount of hydrogen converted into helium by a given star divided by the star's mass is nonzero. Combining this with the earlier statement, we conclude that the amount of hydrogen converted into helium by stars as a whole divided by the mass of the universe is nonzero. There is no known process that can return heavier elements to hydrogen in the necessary quantities, and any would probably violate the second law of thermodynamics. Therefore, the amount of time needed for stars to convert all of the hydrogen in the universe into helium is finite, and it will never change back. After this, only heavier-element-burning stars will exist (and these will die when they hit iron, an event known as the heat death of the universe). This hasn't happened yet, so either the universe is of finite age, it has undergone major changes in its history, or there exists some highly exotic process (for which no direct evidence exists) that produces hydrogen to keep it going.


So it is possible it will end in a Big Crunch! The time graph of our universe would be something like a bell shape that repeats itself. Getting larger after every Big bang.
 
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white holes said:
One evidence is that the amount of mass in stars divided by the total amount of mass in the universe is nonzero. After some length of time, any given star will convert too much hydrogen into helium (or heavier elements) to continue nuclear fusion. From this we conclude that in unit time, the amount of hydrogen converted into helium by a given star divided by the star's mass is nonzero. Combining this with the earlier statement, we conclude that the amount of hydrogen converted into helium by stars as a whole divided by the mass of the universe is nonzero.
Why is this evidence? You're just saying 'Stars make up a certain percentage of the universe's mass' and 'Hydrogen makes up a certain percentage of the stars, and this percentage is shrinking'.
white holes said:
This hasn't happened yet, so either the universe is of finite age
The entire 'big bang theory' revolves around the universe being of finite age (about 13~14 billion years).

There is evidence from supernova observations in other galaxies that the universe's expansion is accelerating. This is part of the reason for the 'dark energy' theories which have appeared in recent years.
 

What is the Big Crunch theory?

The Big Crunch theory states that the universe will eventually stop expanding and begin to collapse in on itself due to the force of gravity. This collapse will eventually lead to a singularity, similar to the Big Bang that started the universe.

What is the Big Rip theory?

The Big Rip theory suggests that the expansion of the universe will continue to accelerate until all matter in the universe is torn apart. This would result in the end of the universe and the destruction of all structures within it.

How do these theories differ?

While both theories predict the end of the universe, they differ in how it will occur. The Big Crunch suggests a collapse due to gravity, while the Big Rip proposes a tearing apart of matter due to the universe's expansion.

Which theory is currently supported by scientific evidence?

Currently, scientific evidence supports the idea of a continued expansion of the universe. This aligns more closely with the Big Rip theory, but more research and data are needed to fully understand the fate of our universe.

What implications do these theories have for the future of humanity?

If the Big Crunch theory were to be true, it would mean that the universe will eventually collapse and potentially result in a new Big Bang, creating a new universe. However, if the Big Rip theory is correct, it would mean the end of all life and structures in the universe. This highlights the importance of further research and understanding of our universe's fate.

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