Big ships can be fast but big planes cannot.

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In summary: Aircraft speed ratios are much more drastic in the 1930s because of the lack of technology. Tanks and planes were too slow and impractical because of their size. Tanks grew in size throughout WWII and planes became faster but the tanks were still impractical because of their size.
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Just before world war 2 there were many big planes and tanks that had lots of guns but were slow. People were trying to make the equivalent of battleships which had lots of guns and armor and were often faster than than smaller ships. however large planes and tanks were impractical. Why?
 
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It is not clear what you mean?

Tanks grew through out WWII, compare a King Tiger to a PzIII or better yet a PzII, it was the PzIIs and PzIIIs that went into Poland in '39 and France in '40. The Tigers were not introduced until '44 and '45. Likewise for the Planes compare a Super fortress to the bombers used in The Battle for Britain.

Now what is your question.
 
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Most Carriers (big) can do about 30 knots on a sprint. The HSVs (fast) do about 50 knots. Speed ratio (big/fast) = 0.6

The C5 Galaxy (big) does about 500 mph, while the SR-71 has a top speed of over 2000 mph. Ratio < 0.25 (Ratio's small, < 0.3, even if you compare with an F-15).

Is this the question ?
 
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@Gokul43201 that is in essence is my question. I would like it answered in general and I want to know why the speed ratio was even more drastic in the 1930s.

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I am talking about land battleship tanks with many turrets experimented with before world war 2 such as the t32
http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/5pansar/5sidor/t321.htm
similar mistakes were made with experimental planes.
 
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A ship that doesn't plane has what's called a "displacement hull." Displacement hull ships have a top speed that's proportional to the square root of the water line length. At "hull speed" (the max speed for that ship), the ship sits in a trough between the bow and stern waves and going faster means lifting the ship out of the water to ride up the bow wave. So while a frigate tops out at 29 knots - and I know from experience that doubling the engine output at 25 knots only pushes you up to 29 - a carrier actually tops out at about 45.

For airplanes, all subsonic jets go about the same speed plus or minus 10% (mach .8 or so). And then, the difference is only due to wing cross section and sweep.

One of the first SR-71 sketches was of a hydrogen powered monster that would have been 300 feet long. Size is not a major factor in airplane speed.
 
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russ_watters said:
A ship that doesn't plane has what's called a "displacement hull." Displacement hull ships have a top speed that's proportional to the square root of the water line length. At "hull speed" (the max speed for that ship), the ship sits in a trough between the bow and stern waves and going faster means lifting the ship out of the water to ride up the bow wave. So while a frigate tops out at 29 knots - and I know from experience that doubling the engine output at 25 knots only pushes you up to 29 - a carrier actually tops out at about 45.

Hey thanks, I learned something new today.
 

Related to Big ships can be fast but big planes cannot.

1. Why can big ships be fast but big planes cannot?

The speed of a vehicle is determined by its size, weight, and power. Big ships have a streamlined hull design and powerful engines, allowing them to move through water more efficiently. On the other hand, big planes have to overcome the force of gravity to take off and maintain flight, which requires a lot more power and fuel. This makes it difficult for them to achieve high speeds.

2. Can big planes ever be as fast as big ships?

While it is unlikely for big planes to surpass the speed of big ships, technological advancements have allowed for faster and more efficient aircrafts. For example, the Concorde was a supersonic passenger jet that could reach speeds of up to 1,354 mph, which is faster than most big ships. However, it was retired due to high costs and noise pollution.

3. What about small planes, can they be faster than big ships?

Smaller planes, such as fighter jets, can definitely be faster than big ships. These planes are designed for speed and agility, and can reach top speeds of over 2,000 mph. However, they are much smaller and cannot carry as much cargo or passengers as big ships.

4. Are there any other factors that affect the speed of big ships and planes?

In addition to size and power, the medium in which the vehicle operates also plays a role in its speed. Ships move through water, which is denser and provides more resistance compared to air. This means that even with the same amount of power, a ship will move slower than a plane due to the medium it is in.

5. Can new technology make big planes faster in the future?

It is possible for new technology to make big planes faster in the future. For instance, advancements in engines and aerodynamics could potentially allow for more efficient and faster flight. However, it is also important to consider the practicality and safety of such high speeds in commercial flights.

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