Biot-Savart - Differential Length Element?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the application of the Biot-Savart law to calculate the magnetic field strength along the center of an asymmetric solenoid. Participants explore the concept of the "differential current length element" (dl) within the context of this law, focusing on its definition and implications in calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their parameterization of the coils and expresses confusion about the meaning of "differential current length element" (dl) in the Biot-Savart law.
  • Another participant suggests that using the velocity vector alone as dl leads to a solution that matches an online formula, indicating a potential resolution to their earlier confusion.
  • A third participant clarifies that the "differential length element" can be understood as the derivative of the length of the curve multiplied by the unit vector of velocity, or simply as the velocity vector itself.
  • A fourth participant explains that dl represents the current in the element of the wire and emphasizes the integration of magnetic fields produced by these current elements at a fixed point in space, noting that if current is measured as current density, dl must be the unit tangent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concept of the differential length element, with some finding clarity while others remain uncertain. There is no consensus on a singular definition or approach to the differential length element, indicating ongoing exploration and differing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' statements rely on specific assumptions about the parameterization and the nature of the current density, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical intricacies involved in defining dl.

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Hi, I'm trying to work with the Biot-Savart law to look at the magnetic field strength along the center of an asymmetric solenoid I wrapped.

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I parameterized the coils with x = r cos 2(pi)t, y = r sin 2(pi)t, and z = D t
where r is the radius of the coil layer, D is the diameter of the wire, and t represents the number of coils.

I'm having difficulty understanding what the "differential current length element" (dl) is in the equation. I understand the vector will be in the direction of the tangential velocity, but I don't understand the "differential" part.

Every other component in the equation is pretty straightforward to me.

First I tried dividing the unit vector of the velocity by the length of the curve, but I'm fairly certain that's just wrong. Pardon my ignorance. But I carried out the formula to completion with this and got a cool 2-dimensional function that had an accurately shaped graph, but inaccurate values.

Please help me understand what the "differential length" means. Would it just be the unit vector of the direction of current flow?

Thank you.
 
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Well, I think I've found an answer by bumbling around for a little bit. If I use the velocity vector alone as dl then I get a solution that's exactly equivalent to a formula I found online for this calculation.

Now can anyone explain how this works?

Thank you.
 
Now I understand if I look at what I have to do to calculate the length of the curve. All the "differential length element" is, is the derivative of the length of the curve multiplied by the unit vector of velocity:

[itex]\sqrt{(\frac{\partial x}{\partial t})^2+(\frac{\partial y}{\partial t})^2+(\frac{\partial z}{\partial t})^2}[/itex] [itex]\bullet[/itex] [itex]\hat{v}[/itex]


Or simply just the velocity vector.


Thanks for nothing! Lol jk.
 
IdL is the current in the element of the wire dL. All you are doing is integrating the magnetic field that these current elements produce at a fixed point in space. This gives you the magnetic field that wire produces as the the sum of the fields produced by each element.

If I is measured as a current density, current/unit length, the dl must be the unit tangent.
 
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