C[T] modules - Berrick and Keating Exercise 1.2.8 (c)

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The discussion revolves around Exercise 1.2.8 (c) from "An Introduction to Rings and Modules With K-Theory in View" by A.J. Berrick and M.E. Keating. Participants explore the properties of a specific module \( M \equiv \mathbb{C}^3 \) and a nilpotent matrix \( A \). The focus is on understanding the submodule generated by a vector \( v \) and determining conditions under which certain vectors belong to this submodule.

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  • Peter seeks assistance in demonstrating that the vector \( \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} \) belongs to the submodule generated by \( v \) for some polynomial \( f(T) \).
  • Some participants clarify the action of the matrix \( A \) on arbitrary vectors \( v \) and note that \( A \) is nilpotent with a minimal polynomial of \( T^3 \).
  • There is a proposal that the submodule \( L(v) \) can be expressed in terms of a polynomial \( f(T) \) of the form \( f(T) = a + bT + cT^2 \), where \( a, b, c \in \mathbb{C} \).
  • Peter outlines a method to show \( L_0 \subseteq L(v) \) by selecting specific values for \( a, b, \) and \( c \) in the polynomial.
  • A later reply questions the necessity of \( v \) being non-zero for the argument to hold.
  • Peter acknowledges the oversight regarding the case when \( v \) is zero and discusses the implications for the inclusion of \( L_0 \) in \( L(v) \).

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Participants generally agree on the properties of the matrix \( A \) and the structure of the module \( M \). However, there is a lack of consensus on the implications of \( v \) potentially being zero and how it affects the inclusion of \( L_0 \) in \( L(v)$. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of \( v \) being non-zero.

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Participants express uncertainty about the implications of \( v \) being zero and how it affects the relationship between \( L_0 \) and \( L(v) \). There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the general form of \( f(T) \) and its coefficients.

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I am reading An Introduction to Rings and Modules With K-Theory in View by A.J. Berrick and M.E. Keating (B&K).

I need help with Exercise 1.2.8 (c) ...

Exercise 1.2.8 (c) reads as follows:View attachment 5097Now ... from this exercise we have that $$M \equiv \mathbb{C}^3$$

... and ...

$$A = \begin{pmatrix} 0&1&1 \\ 0&0&1 \\ 0&0&0 \end{pmatrix}$$
Now ... given a vector $$m \in M \equiv \mathbb{C}^3$$ and the matrix $$A$$ we have that the products $$Am, A^2 M , \ ... \ ...$$ are all elements of $$\mathbb{C}^3$$ ...

So ... following B&K Example 1.2.2 (iv) ... ... see below ... ... consider $$M \equiv \mathbb{C}^3$$ as a right module over the polynomial ring $$\mathbb{C} [T]$$ where

$$m f(T) = mf_0 + Am f_1 + \ ... \ ... \ A^r f_r $$

where

$$f(T) = f_0 + f_1 T + \ ... \ ... \ f_r T^r \in \mathbb{C} [T]
$$
Now, we are given:

$$L(v) \equiv$$ submodule of M generated by vThat is $$L(v) \equiv v f(T)$$ ...

and

$$\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}$$ ...
BUT ... now how do we show $$\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} \in v f(T)$$ for some choice of $$f$$ ...
Can someone please help ... ?
Further ... can someone show me how to find all $$v$$ with dim$$(L(v)) = 2$$?Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 
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Some preliminaries: let $z_1,z_2,z_3$ be any three arbitrary complex numbers.

If $v = \begin{bmatrix}z_1\\z_2\\z_3\end{bmatrix}$, then:

$Av = \begin{bmatrix}z_2 + z_3\\z_3\\0\end{bmatrix}$, and

$A^2v = \begin{bmatrix}0&0&1\\0&0&0\\0&0&0\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}z_1\\z_2\\z_3\end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}z_3\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}$

and $A^kv = 0$ for all $k \geq 3$.

So if $f(T) = \sum\limits_{i = 0}^n f_iT^i$, then

$v \cdot f(T) = vf_0 + Avf_1 + A^2vf_2$ (all the higher terms are 0).

Now if $v = \begin{bmatrix}1\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}$, we see that $Av$ and $A^2v$ are both $0$, so that for this special $v$:

$v\cdot f(T) = vf_0$, in other words:

$L_0 = \left\{ \begin{bmatrix}a\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}: a \in \Bbb C\right\}$

In this case, the ring that is "actually" acting on $\Bbb C^n$ (which due to vector addition is an abelian group) is:

$\Bbb C[T]/(T^3)$, because $A$ is *nilpotent*, of nilpotency $3$ (the minimal polynomial of $A$ is $T^3$, since $A^3 = 0$, and no factor of $T^3$ annihilates $A$).

So we may as well only consider (to calculate $L(v)$) $f$ of the form: $f(T) = a + bT + cT^2$ with $a,b,c \in \Bbb C$.

Going back to our original $v$ (with arbitrary entries) we see that for such an $f$:

$v\cdot f(T) = va + Avb + A^2vc = \begin{bmatrix}az_1\\az_2\\az_3\end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix}b(z_2+z_3)\\bz_3\\0\end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix}cz_3\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}$

(since $\Bbb C$ is a field, I am using commutivity of the field multiplication to put the coefficients of the polynomial in front of the $z$'s)

$= \begin{bmatrix}az_1 + bz_2 + (b+c)z_3\\az_2+bz_3\\az_3\end{bmatrix}$

Can you take it from here?
 
Deveno said:
Some preliminaries: let $z_1,z_2,z_3$ be any three arbitrary complex numbers.

If $v = \begin{bmatrix}z_1\\z_2\\z_3\end{bmatrix}$, then:

$Av = \begin{bmatrix}z_2 + z_3\\z_3\\0\end{bmatrix}$, and

$A^2v = \begin{bmatrix}0&0&1\\0&0&0\\0&0&0\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}z_1\\z_2\\z_3\end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}z_3\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}$

and $A^kv = 0$ for all $k \geq 3$.

So if $f(T) = \sum\limits_{i = 0}^n f_iT^i$, then

$v \cdot f(T) = vf_0 + Avf_1 + A^2vf_2$ (all the higher terms are 0).

Now if $v = \begin{bmatrix}1\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}$, we see that $Av$ and $A^2v$ are both $0$, so that for this special $v$:

$v\cdot f(T) = vf_0$, in other words:

$L_0 = \left\{ \begin{bmatrix}a\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}: a \in \Bbb C\right\}$

In this case, the ring that is "actually" acting on $\Bbb C^n$ (which due to vector addition is an abelian group) is:

$\Bbb C[T]/(T^3)$, because $A$ is *nilpotent*, of nilpotency $3$ (the minimal polynomial of $A$ is $T^3$, since $A^3 = 0$, and no factor of $T^3$ annihilates $A$).

So we may as well only consider (to calculate $L(v)$) $f$ of the form: $f(T) = a + bT + cT^2$ with $a,b,c \in \Bbb C$.

Going back to our original $v$ (with arbitrary entries) we see that for such an $f$:

$v\cdot f(T) = va + Avb + A^2vc = \begin{bmatrix}az_1\\az_2\\az_3\end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix}b(z_2+z_3)\\bz_3\\0\end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix}cz_3\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}$

(since $\Bbb C$ is a field, I am using commutivity of the field multiplication to put the coefficients of the polynomial in front of the $z$'s)

$= \begin{bmatrix}az_1 + bz_2 + (b+c)z_3\\az_2+bz_3\\az_3\end{bmatrix}$

Can you take it from here?

Thanks Deveno ... I think I understand your post ...

To outline the situation in the exercise ... ... we have the following:

$v = \begin{bmatrix}z_1\\z_2\\z_3\end{bmatrix}$ ... ... so $$v$$ is a vector of complex constants where $$z_1, z_2$$ and $$z_3$$ are (arbitrary) complex constants ...

We also have $L_0 = \left\{ \begin{bmatrix}k\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}: k \in \Bbb C\right\}$ where $$k$$ varies over all $$\mathbb{C}$$ ... ...

... and we have ...$f(T) = a + bT + cT^2$ with $a,b,c \in \Bbb C$ ... ... so $$a, b$$ and $$c$$ vary over all $$\mathbb{C}$$ Now we also have that

$$L(v) = v \cdot f(T) = \begin{bmatrix}az_1 + bz_2 + (b+c)z_3\\az_2+bz_3\\az_3\end{bmatrix} $$
Now, we have to show that $$L_0 \subseteq L(v)$$So consider $$\begin{pmatrix} m \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} \in L_0$$ where $$m \in \mathbb{C}
$$We need to show that $$\begin{pmatrix} m \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} \in L_0 \in L(v) = \begin{bmatrix}az_1 + bz_2 + (b+c)z_3\\az_2+bz_3\\az_3\end{bmatrix}$$Now, if $$a = b = 0$$ then

$$L(v) = \begin{pmatrix} (b + c) z_3 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}$$so ... we see that if we set $$a = b = 0$$ and set $$c$$ such that $$m = c z_3$$ then $$\begin{pmatrix} m \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} \in L_0$$ ...Thus if we choose $$a = b = 0$$ and choose $$c = m/z_3$$ then $$\begin{pmatrix} m \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} \in L_0$$ ... So we have shown that $$L_0 \subseteq L(v)$$ ...
Is that correct? Indeed, does the above make sensse ... ?

Hope you can confirm it is correct ...

Peter
 
One small detail...why must $v \neq 0$?
 
Deveno said:
One small detail...why must $v \neq 0$?

Hi Deveno,

Yes ... omitted consideration of $$v$$ possibly being zero ...

so ... ... If $$v = \underline{0} = \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 \\ z_2 \\ z_3 \end{pmatrix} $$Then we have $$L(v) = v \cdot f(T) = \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}$$and then it follows that ...$$\begin{pmatrix} m \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} \notin L_0 $$ ... since $$m$$ can range over all $$\mathbb{C}$$ ... ... and so $$L_0$$ is not a subset of nor equal to $$L(v)$$ ...
Hope the above analysis is correct ...

Peter
 

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