Calculate Bending of Light: Find the Middle Point

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical problem of calculating the bending of light, specifically focusing on expressing an integral related to this phenomenon as a series. Participants explore various approaches to derive a series solution without neglecting any terms, while also addressing the implications of small angles in the context of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral equation related to the bending of light and seeks a series expansion, indicating that "a" is a small parameter and can be zero in the absence of gravity.
  • Another participant suggests a Taylor series expansion around a small quantity, \(\delta\theta\), to simplify the integral, but notes that this leads to higher-order terms that may complicate the expression.
  • A participant emphasizes the desire for a complete series solution without ignoring any terms, expressing a need for clarity on what constitutes a series solution that retains all terms.
  • Further clarification is sought on the nature of the series solution, with one participant providing an example of a known integral to illustrate their point about the usefulness of series solutions.
  • Another participant expresses a desire for a more complex series solution, indicating openness to unconventional forms of series representation.
  • A participant shares results obtained from Mathematica, providing several terms of the series expansion but notes that deriving arbitrary terms remains the responsibility of the original poster.
  • The original poster acknowledges the helpfulness of the provided expansion, indicating a collaborative effort in the exploration of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a series solution to the integral, but there is no consensus on the specific form or method to achieve this. Multiple approaches and interpretations of what constitutes a complete series solution are presented, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of familiarity with series expansions and their applications, which may affect the clarity of communication regarding the mathematical techniques discussed. The discussion also highlights the challenges of handling higher-order terms in series expansions.

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Hello,

while solving bending of light problem, where I shoot a light ray from one tower to other. How much light has fallen upto the middle point ? I was able to reduce the eq to

[tex]\phi=\int[1-a(\cos\theta+\frac{1}{1+\cos \theta})]^{-1/2}d\theta[/tex]

a is very small, also if there is no gravity "a" will be zero.

Is there a way I can express this integral as a series ? the first term being [tex]\phi=\theta+...[/tex]

I tried expanding the square root but the higher order integrals become ugly. I was hoping to find a neat looking series..please help
 
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If you substitute [itex]\theta = \delta\theta + \theta[/itex] where [itex]\delta\theta[/itex] is a small quantity then you can do a Taylor series expansion about [itex]\delta\theta=0[/itex]

[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{a (-\cos (\theta ))-\frac{a}{\cos (\theta )+1}+1}}+\delta \theta <br /> \left(\frac{a \sin (\theta )}{2 (\cos (\theta )+1)^2 \left(a (-\cos (\theta<br /> ))-\frac{a}{\cos (\theta )+1}+1\right)^{3/2}}-\frac{a \sin (\theta )}{2 \left(a<br /> (-\cos (\theta ))-\frac{a}{\cos (\theta )+1}+1\right)^{3/2}}\right)+O^2[/tex]

Since both [itex]a[/itex] and [itex]\delta\theta[/itex] are small quantities then their product is second order, so this reduces to

[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{a (-\cos (\theta ))-\frac{a}{\cos (\theta )+1}+1}}+O^2[/tex]
 
Thankyou for your effort, [tex]\theta[/tex] itself is very small as [tex]\phi[/tex], the angle towers make wrt to center of Earth is small. My question is more mathematical..is there is a way I can get a series solution to the integral equation. I don't intend to ignore any terms, no matter what order they are.

Thank You
 
vaibhavtewari said:
is there is a way I can get a series solution to the integral equation. I don't intend to ignore any terms, no matter what order they are.
What do you mean by this? A series where you don't ignore any terms? That doesn't make sense to me.
 
I mean something like this,

[tex]\int \frac{\sin (x)}{x}dx=\int \frac{x+x^3/3+2x^5/15+...}{x}dx=x+x^3/9+2x^5/75+...[/tex]

We can't have any analytical integration but as we see we can ha ve a series solution and if x is small we can just consider first few terms, but I have the compete series solution...series solution are useful in many ways and the problem I am trying to solve might become easier with series solution...

So I am looking for a series solution of the integral...

Thanks for putting effort and helping me out...
 
I didnt mean only solution the way I have given in my example...I mean a sum over double series or any weird series looking solution...
 
According to Mathematica the first several terms are:

[tex]\frac{\theta }{\sqrt{1-\frac{3 a}{2}}}-\frac{a \theta ^3}{16 \left(1-\frac{3<br /> a}{2}\right)^{3/2}}+\frac{a (3 a+16) \theta ^5}{320 \sqrt{4-6 a} (2-3 a)^2}+\frac{a<br /> \left(-477 a^2+816 a-32\right) \theta ^7}{17920 \sqrt{4-6 a} (3<br /> a-2)^3}+O\left(\theta ^9\right)[/tex]

but you will have to figure out the expression for arbitrary terms on your own.
 
Thankyou for giving the expansion, it was helpful.
 

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