Calculate Flux Density of Current Loop

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The discussion revolves around calculating the flux density of a current loop, specifically a circular loop with a given diameter and current. Participants are exploring the relationships between magnetic field strength, permeability, and area, while attempting to derive the correct equations to find the flux density.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various equations related to magnetic flux and field strength, with some expressing confusion about the necessary parameters to complete their calculations. Questions arise regarding the derivation of permeability and inductance, as well as the relevance of the Biot-Savart law.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made attempts to calculate the flux density using different equations, while others are still seeking clarity on the relationships between the variables involved. There is acknowledgment of a potential solution, but also uncertainty about the connections between the equations and the parameters needed.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes a lack of provided equations due to missing class sessions, which may contribute to their confusion. There is also mention of specific values for permeability in a vacuum, indicating a focus on theoretical aspects of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Loop like an "O" with current moving to the left
Diameter = 8cm
Current = 15A
FIND THE FLUX DENSITY OF THE CURRENT LOOP IN THE PLACE OF THE LOOP?

Homework Equations



B(flux density)=F(magnetic flux)/A(area)
B=H(magnetic field strength)*Permeability
H(magnetic field strength)=I(current)/A(area)
A(area)=Pi*r(radius)2
L(inductance)=Ioda(magnetic flux)/I(current)
Ioda(magnetic flux)=V(velocity)xT(time)
(permeability)=L(inductance)/d(diameter)

The Attempt at a Solution



Area = 50.24 = (3.14 *(42))
Magnetic Field Strangth = .299 or .3 = (15/50.24)

From this point I am lost because it appears to me that I am missing a key part to finish the equation. If I can find out the time or the charge then I can do some substitions and find the answer the equation. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

These are the possible answers:

1. 1.68 x 10^-5 Wb/meters squared
2. 2.36 x 10^-5 Wb/meters squared
3. 1.68 x 10^-4 Wb/meters squared
4. 2.36 x 10^-4 Wb/meters squared
5. 2.87 x 10 Wb/meters squared
 
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That second equation might come in handy.
 
That en lies my problem...

For that equation, I need to find permeability!
To find permeability I need to find inductance
To find Inductance I need to find magnetic flux
To find magnetic flux I need to find velocity and time!

How am I to find 2 items to which I am unable to derive a possible answer for?
 
can no one show me what it is that I am missing in this problem?
 
Isn't this just the Biot-Savart law? That should be all you need. You have too many equations.
 
Well I was given no equations to work with because i missed this day in class and I am playing catch up so I am lost. These were the "relevant" equations that I could find. I am going to have to look up Biot...appreciate the possible direction point!
 
After doing some more investigation, I tried another avenue but to no avail.

Permeability = 4Pi x 10^-7 H/m (IN A VACUUM)

B(magnetic flux) = H(magnetic field strength) * permeability
B = .3*(4Pi x 10^-7)
B = 3.768 x 10^-7

But it is not the answer according to my instructor...he gave me a list of options as show above but I can't seem to get there. Anyone?
 
QUESTION AND EQUATION ANSWERED!

B = permeability x current / 2 x radius

B = (4Pi x 10^-7) x 15A / 2 x (.04 meters)

B = 2.355 x 10^-4 (rounded off = 2.36 x 10^-4)
 
B=H(magnetic field strength)*Permeability
H(magnetic field strength)=I(current)/A(area)

so
B= Permeability x Current / Area

B = permeability x current / 2 x radius

2 x radius looks strongly like a diameter rather than an area
 
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Yeha I am not exactly sure how any of this works because I missed the last 2 classes and I am playing catch up and it sucks but the list of equations that I originally found were the ones I listed and they didnt help me in anyway but after doing some reading I found the equation that I used in my last post and that gave me the answer I was looking for so I have no clue how these equations supposedly tie in together but my instructor said my answer was correct so I am not complaining about that...just sucks that I can't figure out how this all ties in together
 

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