Calculate integral using Gauss theorem

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The problem involves calculating the integral of a vector field over a surface defined by a function in a two-dimensional domain. The surface is oriented with respect to an exterior normal vector, and the discussion centers around the application of Gauss's theorem in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the visualization of the surface and the implications of using Gauss's theorem. There is an exploration of the divergence of the vector field and its implications for the integral. Questions are raised about whether the surface is closed and the meaning of the normal vector orientation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the nature of the surface and its boundary. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the surface and the domain, suggesting that adding the domain could lead to a closed surface.

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There is a discussion about the boundary conditions of the function defining the surface and how it relates to the overall setup of the problem. The original poster expresses uncertainty about terminology due to translation issues.

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Homework Statement .

Let
##D =\left\{\left(x,y\right)\ \in\ {\mathbb R}^{2}: x^{2} + y^{2} \leq 1\right\}## and let ##{\rm f}:D \to {\mathbb R}## defined as
##{\rm f}\left(x,y\right)
= \left(1 - x^{2} -y^{2}\right)\exp\left(x^{4}y^{10}\right)##.
Consider the surface ##S## given by the graph of ##{\rm f}## restricted to ##D##, oriented with the exterior normal vector. Let ##G## be the vector field
##G:{\mathbb R}^{3} \to {\mathbb R}^{3}## given by

##G(x,y,z) = \left(\,-y,\, x,\, x^{2} + y^{2}\,\right)\,,\qquad\mbox{Calculate}\ \int_{S} G\cdot dS##


The attempt at a solution.

I am having a hard time trying to visualize the surface ##S##.

One possibility is to use Gauss theorem, which says that if ##W## is an elementary symmetric region in space where ##\partial W## is a closed oriented surface and ##F## is a function of class ##C^1##, then

##\iiint_w (divF).dV=\iint_{\partial W} F.dS##.

I've calculated the divergence of ##G## and it gives ##0##. If I could find a region ##W## bounded by ##S##, then

##0=\iiint_w (divG).dV=\iint_{\partial W} G.dS=\int_S G.dS##

Another doubt that I have is: how do I know ##S## is a closed surface?
 
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mahler1 said:
Homework Statement .

Let
##D =\left\{\left(x,y\right)\ \in\ {\mathbb R}^{2}: x^{2} + y^{2} \leq 1\right\}## and let ##{\rm f}:D \to {\mathbb R}## defined as
##{\rm f}\left(x,y\right)
= \left(1 - x^{2} -y^{2}\right)\exp\left(x^{4}y^{10}\right)##.
Consider the surface ##S## given by the graph of ##{\rm f}## restricted to ##D##, oriented with the exterior normal vector. Let ##G## be the vector field
##G:{\mathbb R}^{3} \to {\mathbb R}^{3}## given by

##G(x,y,z) = \left(\,-y,\, x,\, x^{2} + y^{2}\,\right)\,,\qquad\mbox{Calculate}\ \int_{S} G\cdot dS##.

The attempt at a solution.

I am having a hard time trying to visualize the surface ##S##.

One possibility is to use Gauss theorem, which says that if ##W## is an elementary symmetric region in space where ##\partial W## is a closed oriented surface and ##F## is a function of class ##C^1##, then

##\iiint_w (divF).dV=\iint_{\partial W} F.dS##.

I've calculated the divergence of ##G## and it gives ##0##. If I could find a region ##W## bounded by ##S##, then

##0=\iiint_w (divG).dV=\iint_{\partial W} G.dS=\int_S G.dS##

Another doubt that I have is: how do I know ##S## is a closed surface?

It isn't a closed surface. And as such, the "exterior" normal doesn't make sense. Perhaps you mean the upward directed normal. Your surface is defined on the domain ##D:~x^2+y^2\le 1##. As a hint, what does your ##f(x,y)## look like on the boundary of ##D##?
 
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LCKurtz said:
It isn't a closed surface. And as such, the "exterior" normal doesn't make sense. Perhaps you mean the upward directed normal. Your surface is defined on the domain ##D:~x^2+y^2\le 1##. As a hint, what does your ##f(x,y)## look like on the boundary of ##D##?

Yes, I've meant the upward directed normal, sorry, I am translating from spanish to english and sometimes I pick the wrong words. Hmm, ##f(x,y)=0## on the boundary of ##D##, and this tells me...? (I need a little more push).
 
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mahler1 said:
Yes, I've meant the upward directed normal, sorry, I am translating from spanish to english and sometimes I pick the wrong words. Hmm, ##f(x,y)=0## in the boundary of ##D##, and this tells me...? (I need a little more push).

It tells you that your open surface and your domain ##D## share the same boundary. So if you add the domain ##D## to your picture, you would have a closed surface. And that buys you ...
 
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