Calculate the magnitude of the velocity at point from a given equation, a(t)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnitude of velocity at a specific point from a given acceleration function, a(t). Participants explore methods for deriving expressions for velocity and position through integration, addressing challenges related to the integration of variables and the dimensionality of the problem.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to start the problem and mentions a final answer of v = 2.74 m/s without a clear path to reach it.
  • Another participant discusses the need to derive usable expressions for v(t) and r(t), indicating that the integration process may be simpler once these expressions are established.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of treating the problem as one-dimensional, suggesting that this simplification could aid in understanding the relationships between acceleration, velocity, and displacement.
  • Participants discuss the use of separation of variables and integration, noting that the relationship between r(t) and t must be clarified before proceeding with integration.
  • One participant successfully finds the answer by integrating the left-hand side with respect to r and the right-hand side with respect to v, indicating progress in understanding the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to clarify the dimensionality of the problem and the approach to integration. However, there remains uncertainty about the specific relationships between the variables and how to proceed with the integration process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the lack of clear relationships between r(t) and t, which affects the integration process. The discussion also highlights the absence of worked solutions in course materials, contributing to the participants' challenges.

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Homework Statement
Calculate the magnitude of the velocity at point from a given equation a(t)
Relevant Equations
a(t) = r^3(t)
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These questions keep appearing in my past-papers and yet at no point in the course notes can I find a worked solution. Unfortunately I'm not sure where to start. My initial thoughts were regarding getting an equation using known values but w.r.t. to t and integrating for v, but like I said I have nothing to go off apart from a final answer. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The solution for the problem included is v = 2.74m/s
 
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I'm unsure how to get expressions for v(t) and r(t) in usable forms. I feel like once I have those expressions the remainder is relatively simple. Although I am also unsure how to treat the r^2(t) when integrating - or will this issue disappear after getting the correct expressions?
 
Hello @emarie,

Welcome to PF! :welcome:

emarie said:
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These questions keep appearing in my past-papers and yet at no point in the course notes can I find a worked solution. Unfortunately I'm not sure where to start. My initial thoughts were regarding getting an equation using known values but w.r.t. to t and integrating for v, but like I said I have nothing to go off apart from a final answer. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The solution for the problem included is v = 2.74m/s
This is a pretty neat problem! :smile:

But there are some tricks to it.

First foremost, the problem should have specified that everything is one dimensional. I.e, the acceleration is always in the same direction, which is also the same direction as the velocity and the displacement. Everything has only one, single direction. It might have made things more intuitive if the position was represented by "x(t)" instead of "r(t)." Anyway, just treat everything as a single dimension and you'll be fine.

To solve this problem you can use separation of variables together with integration.

Acceleration is the time derivative of velocity. a = \frac{dv}{dt}

With that, can you re-write the equation such that everything is in terms of dv, dt, and r(t)? If so, you're almost there.

But there's still one more trick. You can't just go integrating r^3(t) \ dt all willy-nilly. You don't know what the relationship is between r(t) and t, so you'll have to do one more little step before integration.

You do know what the relationship is between r(t) and r.
r(t) = r.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could integrate r^3 \ dr instead? That's a pretty straight-forward integration. What do you have to multiply both sides of the equation by to make this happen? :wink:
 
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collinsmark said:
Hello @emarie,

Welcome to PF! :welcome:This is a pretty neat problem! :smile:

But there are some tricks to it.

First foremost, the problem should have specified that everything is one dimensional. I.e, the acceleration is always in the same direction, which is also the same direction as the velocity and the displacement. Everything has only one, single direction. It might have made things more intuitive if the position was represented by "x(t)" instead of "r(t)." Anyway, just treat everything as a single dimension and you'll be fine.

To solve this problem you can use separation of variables together with integration.

Acceleration is the time derivative of velocity. a = \frac{dv}{dt}

With that, can you re-write the equation such that everything is in terms of dv, dt, and r(t)? If so, you're almost there.

But there's still one more trick. You can't just go integrating r^3(t) \ dt all willy-nilly. You don't know what the relationship is between r(t) and t, so you'll have to do one more little step before integration.

You do know what the relationship is between r(t) and r.
r(t) = r.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could integrate r^3 \ dr instead? That's a pretty straight-forward integration. What do you have to multiply both sides of the equation by to make this happen? :wink:
Thank you for the help! I agree that x(t) makes more sense so that was definitely throwing me off! I have managed to find the answer by integrating the LHS wrt to r between the start and end positions and the RHS wrt to v between the start and end velocities! Thanks once again🙂
 
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