Calculate the quadriceps muscle force

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The discussion revolves around calculating the quadriceps muscle force using given parameters such as lever arms and weights. Participants clarify the formula needed for the calculations, emphasizing the importance of understanding free body diagrams and static analysis. The user seeks guidance on how to determine specific variables, particularly the lever arm for the weight of the upper body. There is a focus on ensuring the user comprehends the concepts to independently solve similar problems in the future. The conversation highlights the necessity of grasping the relationships between forces and distances in biomechanics.
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Calculate the quadriceps muscle force
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πΉπ‘š=π‘ƒβˆ™π‘Ž+π‘Šβˆ™π‘/c
Hi guys,

I'm new here. So I have this biomechanics module which is completely out of my league (it's compulsory but it's not what I want to do). Could someone help with the following? It's about static and dynamic loads calculation.

Calculate the quadriceps muscle force applied through the patellar tendon. Lever arm of the muscle force is 4cm. The ground reaction force is 800N and its lever arm is 20cm.

This is the formula:
πΉπ‘š=π‘ƒβˆ™π‘Ž+π‘Šβˆ™π‘/c

On the slides P stands for weight of the barbell but we don't have it here so I don't know..
W stands for weight of the upper body
a - the lever arm of P
b- the lever arm of W
c- the lever arm of Fm
 
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Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Can you use the "attach a file" feature to upload a diagram for this problem?

Are you familiar with free body diagrams (FBDs) and how to calculate the sum of moments about an axis of the body?
 
Newby said:
This is the formula:
πΉπ‘š=π‘ƒβˆ™π‘Ž+π‘Šβˆ™π‘/c
I think you mean πΉπ‘š=(π‘ƒβˆ™π‘Ž+π‘Šβˆ™π‘)/c.
If there is no barbell in the question then you can drop that part, leaving
πΉπ‘š=π‘Šβˆ™π‘/c
You should be able to solve it from there.
 
Thanks guys for the help, I'm good with the first one but now I'd really appreciate your feedback on this one.

Consider the following free body diagram. Using static analysis, solve for the muscle torque that will place this system in equilibrium, given mass of the leg and foot is 5.4kg; distance from the knee joint to the center of mass of the leg-foot system 0.232m; weight of the barbell 150N; and distance from the knee joint to the center of mass of the barbell 0.514m.

So we use the same formula once again. πΉπ‘š=(π‘ƒβˆ™π‘Ž+π‘Šβˆ™π‘)/c.
I believe P is 150N, a=51.4cm, c=23.2cm, W=5.4kg (52.7N). But how do I find b?

And then I have a formula for torque which is T=Fβ‹…r; r=distance from line of gravity. So I believe in my case r will be distance from the knee joint to the center of mass of the barbell (0.514m)?
 
Newby said:
Consider the following free body diagram.
I will if you post it.
 
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I will if you post it.
Thanks for your help.
 

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Newby said:
c=23.2cm
No.
What force acts at 23.2cm from the joint?
 
haruspex said:
No.
What force acts at 23.2cm from the joint?
Could you put me on the right track? I need to fully understand at least one of these tasks to be able to carry on by myself.
 
Newby said:
Could you put me on the right track? I need to fully understand at least one of these tasks to be able to carry on by myself.
It's a simple enough question: what, according to the information given, is 23.2cm from the joint?
 
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