Calculating Acceleration and Direction of Objects on a Ramp

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration and direction of two objects on a ramp, specifically focusing on the interactions between a block (B) sliding down the ramp and a wedge (A) on which it rests. The problem involves components of acceleration and the effects of forces acting on both objects.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of accelerations for both blocks, breaking them down into components. There is a focus on the relationship between the accelerations of B and A, particularly questioning whether the ramp's acceleration affects B's motion. Some participants express uncertainty about the correct approach to finding relative accelerations and the role of the normal force.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning assumptions about the system's dynamics, particularly regarding the ramp's acceleration. Some guidance has been offered about the interdependence of the accelerations of A and B, suggesting that they cannot be treated independently. There is an acknowledgment of errors in the initial calculations, prompting further exploration of the problem.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of relative motion and the influence of the normal force between the two objects. There is a noted need for clarity on whether accelerations are being considered in absolute or relative terms, which impacts the calculations significantly.

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First, I find the accelerations of each block, separate the accelerations into Y and X components and then add them as vectors.

for B:
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B goes down the ramp with an acceleration of 3.35 m/s^2
X component : (3.35)(cos 20) = 3.15 m/s^2 to the right
Y component : (3.35)(sin 20) = 1.145 m/s^2 downwards
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for A :
I add the Y component of the Normal force of B on A, to the weight of wedge A.

Y component of the Normal force of B on A = 80 N
Weight of Wedge A = 215.6 N

adding both : 80 N + 215.6 N = 295 N
but the slope is 30 degrees, so the force along the slope is : (295 N) ( sin 30) = 148 N

to find the acceleration of A down the ramp : F = ma

148 N = ( 22 kg) (a)
a = 6.72 m/s^2
x component : 5.811 m/s^2 to the left
y component : 3.36 m/s^2 downwards

now adding components , total x component is 2.66 m/s^2 to the left
and 4.505 m/s^2 downwards

therefore acceleration of B is 5.23 m/s^2 with direction 59.5 degrees below the the horizontal, directed to the left.Now, all this is wrong because the answer aB =5.94 m/s^2, 75.7 degrees below the horizontal, directed to the right.

Where did I go wrong? Did I have the right idea but miscalculated?
 
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goonking said:
B goes down the ramp with an acceleration of 3.35 m/s^2
That would be true if the ramp were static. Are you sure it is true if the ramp is itself accelerating?
You need to be clear when discussing B's acceleration whether you mean absolute or relative to A.
 
haruspex said:
That would be true if the ramp were static. Are you sure it is true if the ramp is itself accelerating?
You need to be clear when discussing B's acceleration whether you mean absolute or relative to A.
yes, that was my error, I thought I could take the a point as the origin, and just divide the problem into two separate ones, find the acceleration of both relative to the origin and just add up the vectors but that clearly isn't working out.

I would need to find the acceleration of B relative to A, and in order to do that, I would need to find the acceleration of A (with respect to the origin) first, correct?
 
goonking said:
I would need to find the acceleration of B relative to A, and in order to do that, I would need to find the acceleration of A (with respect to the origin) first, correct?
You can't do either independently of the other. They are linked by the normal force between them. Introduce that as an unknown and write out the usual F=ma equation for each body.
 
goonking said:
Y component of the Normal force of B on A = 80 N
may i know how do you get this?
 

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