Calculating Acceleration and Tension in a Pulley System

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The problem involves a pulley system with two blocks of mass m1 and m2 connected by a massless string. The setup includes a pulley with mass mp and radius R, and the objective is to determine the acceleration of m1 and the tensions in the string. The scenario is set on a frictionless surface, and mass m2 is released from rest.

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  • Participants discuss the need for free body diagrams and the moment of inertia of the pulley. There are attempts to relate angular acceleration to tangential acceleration. Some participants express confusion about the inclusion of mass m1 in the calculations and question the validity of their derived equations for acceleration and tension.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various attempts to derive the correct expression for acceleration. Some participants have proposed different formulas, and there is a request for verification of these calculations. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note that the problem may require specific mass values and that the teacher's guidance suggests a particular formula for acceleration, which has been challenged by the results obtained. There is also mention of constraints regarding the number of attempts allowed for submitting answers.

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Blocks of mass m1 and m2 are connected by a massless string that passes over the pulley in the figure. The pulley turns on frictionless bearings, and mass m1 slides on a horizontal, frictionless surface. Mass m2 is released while the blocks are at rest.
Suppose the pulley has mass mp and radius R. Find the acceleration of m1.
Find the tension in the upper portion of the string.
Find the tension in the lower portions of the string.
Ive tried R*g*m2/(1/2*mp*r^2)*R and it said it needs mass1 in the problem but I couldn't figure out where it is needed
 

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Draw three free body diagrams. One for mass on table. One for hanging mass. One for wheel. You need the moment of inertia of the wheel (looks like you have it) and the torque on the wheel,which comes from the two tensions in the string (not the weights of the masses). The acceleration of both masses and the tangential acceleration of the rim of the wheel have the same magnitude. Relate the angular acceleration of the wheel to the tangential acceleration of its rim.
 
Ive already drawn out the free body diagrams and in class our teacher told us that this problem is solved with a=-m2*g/(1/2mp+m1+m2) but it told me that was wrong too
so the equations I have are T2-m2*g=m2*a for m2 T1=m2\1*a for m1 and 1/2mpR^2*angular acc.=RT1-RT2
 
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I calculated a new answer
a=2m2*g/(m1+m2) can anyone verify if that is correct because I only have one more guess to get the answer right.
 
dtesselstrom said:
I calculated a new answer
a=2m2*g/(m1+m2) can anyone verify if that is correct because I only have one more guess to get the answer right.
There has to be an mp in the answer for the acceleration. This cannot be right.
 
the correct answer is m2g/(m1+m2+.5mp)
 

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