Calculating Carbon Dioxide Levels in 19th Century Air

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In the 19th century, methods for measuring carbon dioxide (CO2) in the air often involved drying the air using sulfuric acid (H2SO4), which also dissolved some CO2, potentially leading to measurement errors. The discussion highlights the need for understanding the solubility of CO2 in H2SO4 and its impact on CO2 partial pressure during the drying process. Key considerations include the volume of air and acid used, the initial and remaining CO2 partial pressures, and whether the air is equilibrated gradually or all at once. The significance of the CO2 loss is questioned, with suggestions that historical literature may contain relevant data on CO2 solubility in H2SO4. A practical method for estimating CO2 loss involves measuring the volume of gas evolved from a reaction with baking soda in dilute sulfuric acid, indicating that a significant discrepancy from theoretical values would warrant further investigation.
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In the good old days of the 19th century, carbon dioxide levels of the air were measured in various chemical ways. Several methods required drying of the air first. This could be accomplished by leading the air through sulphur acid (H2SO4). However it appears that CO2 also dissolves partly in that process.

Now, I'm sure that there are methods of estimating the amount of CO2 that dissolves this way and consequently, the magnitude of the induced error, something with a Bunsen adsorption coefficients. But I'm afraid I did not pay enough attention in high school, some millenium or so ago.

Anybody, who can help me out?
 
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Everything is soluble in everything else. How soluble? You're stuck with measuring. Volume of air sample? Volume of acid used to dry the air sample? Did they just pump air through the acid until it reached steady state with the exception of water loss?
 
Well let's say that they pumped N moles or air through a volume V of acid with an initial CO2 partial pressure of p1 at a termperature T and a total pressure P. What would be the remaining CO2 partial pressure p2? Would the difference between p1 and p2 be significant or negliglible?
 
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Well let's say that they pumped N moles or air through a volume V of acid with an initial CO2 partial pressure of p1 at a termperature T and a total pressure P. What would be the remaining CO2 partial pressure p2? Would the difference between p1 and p2 be significant or negliglible?

Still not constrained: are you equilibrating "dN" at a time with "V," or "N" all at once with "V?" You see the difference? First case, you can take the tag end of "N" for analysis, and the difference can be driven to a limit of 0 regardless of solubility; second case, the difference is a function of only the solubility.

Measurements on CO2 solubility in H2SO4? Gotta be in the literature somewhere --- sort of thing people would have done between the wars. Finding it? CA wasn't indexing "systems: x + y" in those days --- going to be a little tough. Significant? No --- there'd be a ton of information on how to control it for all the industrial applications.

Quick means to estimate? Measured amount of baking soda in measured amount of (dilute --- let's do worst case) sulfuric acid, and measure the evolved gas volume --- it comes up more than 10% less than theoretical, we're going to have to look a little more closely.
 
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