Calculating change in linear position

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the change in linear position of a point on a bar as it rotates, specifically considering the effects of a moving mass attached to the bar. Participants explore the dynamics of the system, including angular velocity, conservation of momentum, and the implications of a shifting center of mass. The context includes theoretical considerations and mathematical modeling.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario with a bar rotating at an angular velocity of π rad/s, questioning whether the system would continue to rotate as the center of mass shifts.
  • Another participant notes that a massless bar with a point mass attached would not have a clear orientation and emphasizes the importance of momentum conservation in the absence of external forces.
  • A participant clarifies that the bar is on a frictionless surface and gravity is neglected, detailing the mass's movement and its implications for the bar's rotation.
  • Concerns are raised about the calculations involving moment of inertia and angular momentum, with participants expressing uncertainty about the direction of rotation and the equations needed to describe the system.
  • Some participants suggest that the moment of inertia will change as the mass shifts, affecting the angular velocity, while others seek clarification on the model being used.
  • One participant introduces a force applied to the bar and discusses how this affects the rotation and movement of the mass, prompting further questions about the system's dynamics.
  • A diagram is referenced to clarify the setup, with participants discussing the importance of understanding the pivot point and the implications of an ideal case scenario.
  • There is a suggestion that the system's behavior may change significantly when the mass moves close to the pivot, potentially leading to discontinuities in angular velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the bar should rotate and that angular momentum is conserved, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the equations needed to describe the system or how the dynamics will play out as the mass shifts. Multiple competing views remain regarding the model and the implications of the mass's movement.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the mass distribution, the nature of the bar, and the effects of external forces. The calculations presented are based on specific parameters but may not capture all aspects of the system's behavior.

  • #31
I was just hoping to verify that my understanding of the conservation of angular momentum does apply to this situation. I seem to have gotten that verification. I appreciate all of the help, and I am sorry for the amount of time it took me to adequately explain the problem.

Thank you to everyone who has provided assistance.
 
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  • #32
pbhuter said:
I was just hoping to verify that my understanding of the conservation of angular momentum does apply to this situation. I seem to have gotten that verification. I appreciate all of the help, and I am sorry for the amount of time it took me to adequately explain the problem.

Thank you to everyone who has provided assistance.
An object that has no mass will not contribute, in any way, to the linear or angular momentum.
 

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