Calculating Distributed Capacitance of a Bifilar Coil?

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The discussion centers around calculating the distributed capacitance of a multi-layer bifilar coil, exploring various aspects of bifilar windings and their implications on capacitance and inductance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on calculating the distributed capacitance of a multi-layer bifilar coil.
  • Another participant mentions that for high-frequency coils, Litz wire is preferable due to reduced eddy current losses, but questions the definition of a bifilar coil.
  • A participant defines bifilar windings as primary and secondary wires wound together to minimize leakage inductance, which increases winding-to-winding capacitance.
  • One participant provides a formula for capacitance between two conductors in a bifilar winding, stating it is the same regardless of whether the pair is wound in a coil or straight line, and references a source for further reading.
  • A participant expresses a desire for a specific equation applicable to multi-layer coils, indicating a need for more tailored information.

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Participants generally agree on the definition and implications of bifilar windings, but there is no consensus on the specific calculation methods for multi-layer coils, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriate equations.

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The discussion lacks specific assumptions regarding the geometry of the multi-layer coil and does not resolve the complexities involved in calculating capacitance in such configurations.

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Hello everyone,

I have been tirelessly searching the net trying to find out how to calculate the distributed capacitance of a multi-layer bifilar coil.

Just wondering if anyone here can point me in the right direction?
 
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For Hi-Q high frequency coils, you want Litz wire. The turn-to-turn capacitance is the same as single conductor wire, but the eddy current (skin depth) losses are less. Litz wire is multiconductor wire with insulated strands. What do you mean by bifilar coil? See

http://www.die.ing.unibo.it/pers/grandi/papers/ia99.pdf

Bob S
 
Bob S said:
What do you mean by bifilar coil?

Bifilar windings are when the primary and secondary wires are wound together on the bobbin or core. It's generally done to minimize leakage inductance Lk, at the expense of much higher winding-to-winding capacitance Cww.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_winding

I'm not sure of a good way to calculate the capacitance, though...
 
berkeman said:
Bifilar windings are when the primary and secondary wires are wound together on the bobbin or core. It's generally done to minimize leakage inductance Lk, at the expense of much higher winding-to-winding capacitance Cww.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_winding

I'm not sure of a good way to calculate the capacitance, though...
The capacitance between the two conductors in a bifilar winding (neglecting turn-to-turn effects in a coil) is the same whether the bifilar pair is wound in a coil or in a long straight line. The capacitance per unit length is

C = πε0/[cosh-1(D/2R)]

where D is the center-to-center spacing of the two round conductors, each of radius R. (See Smythe Static and Dynamic Electricity Third Edition, Section 4.14).

It is also possible to get to this number by calculating the transmission line impedance of a twisted pair or a twin-line transmission line, and knowing that

a) The signal velocity in an air-filled transmission line is c = 1/sqrt(LC), and

b) The transmission line characteristic impedance is Z = sqrt(L/C)

where L and C are the inductance and capacitance per unit length.

Also look up Lecher Line capacitance in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecher_lines

Bob S
 
Thanks Bob S, I greatly appreciate it. although I am really hoping to find the equation one would use for a multi layer coil.
 

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