Calculating Eccenticity of a Pair of Straight Lines

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of eccentricity in relation to a pair of straight lines, particularly whether such lines can be classified within the framework of conic sections and how eccentricity is defined in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how eccentricity can be defined for a pair of straight lines, noting that eccentricity is typically a property of conic sections.
  • Others argue that a pair of intersecting lines can be considered a degenerate conic section, prompting further inquiry into whether such a case has an eccentricity.
  • A participant presents a mathematical expression for a degenerate conic section and discusses its eccentricity, suggesting it approaches infinity as certain parameters tend to zero.
  • There is a challenge regarding the correctness of the formula presented for eccentricity, with a request for clarification on the correct expression.
  • A later reply attempts to correct a previous formula by clarifying the notation used, while asserting that the result remains consistent with earlier claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether eccentricity can be defined for a pair of straight lines, with some asserting it cannot and others suggesting it can under specific conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct definition and application of eccentricity in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of conic sections and eccentricity, as well as the mathematical steps involved in deriving the eccentricity for degenerate cases.

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how do we define the eccenticity of a pair of straight lines
 
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Eccentricity is a property of conic sections. Two lines do not a conic section make.
 
but i have read that pair of straight lines is a part of a conic section. how do u define a conic section.
 
Which kind of "pair of lines" do you mean? A pair of intersecting lines can be a conic section (but does this then have an eccentricity?)
 
yes.
 
x2/a^2- y2/b^2= 0 is a "degenerate" conic section. It is the limiting case of then hyperbola x2/a2c- y2/a2c= 1 or x2/a2- y2/b2= c as c goes to 0 and, since it can be factored as (x/a- y/b)(x/a+ y/b)= 0, its graph is the two lines x/a- y/b= 0 and x/a+ y/b= 0.

The eccentricy of such a hyperbola is \sqrt{ca^2- cb^2}{ca}= \sqrt{a^2- b^2}{\sqrt{c}a}. As c goes to 0 that goes to 0. Strictly speaking the eccentricity of a degenerate hyperbola is "not defined" but roughly speaking it is infinity.
 
I think you have the wrong formula for the eccentricity.
 
then what is the correct answer
 
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Just bad "LaTex". I had meant
\frac{\sqrt{ca^2- cb^2}}{ca}= \frac{\sqrt{a^2- b^2}}{\sqrt{c}a}
and the result is the same as before.
 

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