Calculating Equations of Ellipses Within a Cone

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of equations for ellipses formed by slicing a cone, specifically in the context of designing an equatorial platform mount for telescopes. The focus is on the geometric implications of using ellipses versus circles for bearings in the mount, considering factors like strength and construction simplicity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using ellipses for bearings to maintain perpendicularity to the upper plate, which they believe would enhance strength and ease of construction.
  • The same participant presents an equation for a cone and suggests that slicing it with a specific plane should yield an ellipse, although they express uncertainty about the correctness of their approach.
  • Another participant questions the use of non-orthogonal bearings, noting that equatorial platforms typically utilize orthogonal designs, implying that the original setup may be unconventional.
  • A later reply indicates a lack of familiarity with the proposed designs, suggesting that the discussion may require further clarification or expertise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of the proposed design or the method for calculating the ellipse equations. There are competing views regarding the use of orthogonal versus non-orthogonal bearings.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes uncertainties regarding the geometric calculations and the assumptions about the cone's orientation and the resulting shapes. There are also limitations in the participants' familiarity with specific designs and methods.

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Hello.
So, I'm designing an equatorial platform mount for my telescope at the moment. I'm also going to use it for another telescope that I'm in the process of building.

I know that for both of the bearings, I can use small sections of two circles cut from a cone with an angle between the axis and slant of my latitude. However, these would be at a 60 degree angle to the upper plate here, which I feel may weaken it. However, if I use ellipses, both bearings can be perpendicular to the upper plate, which should be stronger and easier to build. These ellipses would have to be perpendicular to the slant of the cone for this to be true.

I know that a cone where the axis is at 30 degrees to the slant should have an equation of 3(x^2 + y^2) = (\sqrt3 - z)^2. I know very little about 3D geometry, so I'm not entirely sure of this. This is what I got from Wolfram Alpha. Because I'm at 30 degrees north, presumably if I slice this cone with a plane with normal vector <0, -1, \sqrt3>, this will result in an ellipse perpendicular to the slant of the cone. (Again, I'm not entirely sure on this.)

I tried just setting the plane -y + \sqrt3 z + 1 = 0 equal to the cone to find the intersection, but I got an equation that isn't an ellipse. Is this the proper way to go about calculating the equations of these ellipses, or should I do something else?
Thanks!
 
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Hello I do not have an answer for you, rather a question : why do you use non-orthogonal bearings ? An EQ platform is usually made with those, the tilt only being the angle between the whole assembly and the horizontal (it's really just an alt-az mechanism installed at an angle) so your setup is unusual.
 
I want to use orthogonal bearings to both simplify construction and to make the finished platform stronger. This is the same principle used in what are called vertical north section platforms. There are quite a few designs like this. I'm just not sure how exactly I should calculate the cuts for the ellipses.
 
Ah sorry I'm not familiar with those designs, can't help here.
 

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