How to Calculate Forces in Bridge Points?

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The discussion revolves around calculating forces at various points on a bridge that allows for horizontal expansion. Participants express confusion about the differing normal forces at points A and E, questioning why they are not equal despite the car's mass being distributed along the bridge. There is a consensus that horizontal movement does not necessitate non-parallel forces to the beams, and that vertical loads should not create horizontal reactions at points A and E. The calculations for forces, particularly Fab, are debated, with some suggesting that the answer key may be incorrect. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of bridge force calculations under specific conditions.
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Homework Statement



The problem statement:

Bridge of length: 200m
Construction can expand horizontally to allow thermic expansion
Masses of beams: small in comparison to the car
Mass of the car: 1360 kg.

The answers: Na= 11,0 kN, Ne= 3,67 kN, Fab = Fde = 7,35 kN, Fac = Fce = 6,37 kN, Fbc=Fcd= 4,24 kN, Fbd = 8,49 kN

Question: Calculate the forces in points A,B,C,D,E

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Homework Equations



We've already solved a similar bridge, but there was not the possibility of horizontal expansion.

In the similar bridge we stated that, as the beams were in static equilibrium, the forces should be parallel to the beams, either pointing outwards or inwards:

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The Attempt at a Solution




My problem is I haven't got a clue how to incorporate the ability to move horizontally. Do I have to allow the forces to be non parallel to the beams?
What I find hard to understand is the fact that the normal force in point A (Na) is different form the normal force in point E (Ne)? I thought that, since the massa is equally distributed along the bridge, the normal forces would be the weight of the car divided by 2.

I have made a drawing with the forces, knowing that when I found a negative force, I assumed the wrong direction.

brug2.jpg


I thought to calculate Fab by saying that there are only forces having a vertical component, so those two should be zero when added.

I stated Fn is = 6670,80. , so Fab . sin(40°) = - 6670,80, Fab = -10377 N, which apparently is wrong ?
 
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In the similar bridge we stated that, as the beams were in static equilibrium, the forces should be parallel to the beams, either pointing outwards or inwards:
That's correct, as long as you have a pure truss with loads applied at the joints.
My problem is I haven't got a clue how to incorporate the ability to move horizontally. Do I have to allow the forces to be non parallel to the beams?
No, this just means that there can be no horizontal reactions at A and E, under the vertically applied load.
What I find hard to understand is the fact that the normal force in point A (Na) is different form the normal force in point E (Ne)? I thought that, since the massa is equally distributed along the bridge, the normal forces would be the weight of the car divided by 2.
me too.
I have made a drawing with the forces, knowing that when I found a negative force, I assumed the wrong direction.

I thought to calculate Fab by saying that there are only forces having a vertical component, so those two should be zero when added.

I stated Fn is = 6670,80. , so Fab . sin(40°) = - 6670,80, Fab = -10377 N, which apparently is wrong ?
Looks right to me. The answer key looks wrong.
 
Thanks for helping me out!
 
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