Calculating Frictional Force on an Inclined Plane

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A 120kg crate sliding down a 30-degree inclined plane accelerates at 3.90 m/s², prompting a discussion on calculating the frictional force. The initial confusion revolves around the equations for friction on an incline, particularly the normal force and its relationship to the crate's weight. After decomposing forces into x and y directions, the correct calculations reveal that the frictional force (Ff) is 120N, confirming that the crate is indeed sliding down the incline. The coefficient of friction (u) is calculated as approximately 0.1178, but the primary focus remains on the frictional force. The final consensus affirms that the frictional force of 120N is the correct answer to the problem.
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In unloading a truck a man allows a 120kg crate to slide down a plank inclined at 30.0o to the horizontal. The crate accelerates at 3.90ms-2. What is the size of the frictional force?

I know I need an equation for frictional force on an incline plane to slove this but that's where my problem lies I didn't learned it in class and I can't find the equation.
my guess is: Ff= umgcosa
but if it is I'm also stuck on how to find u in this problem?

u=F/N but then how do i find N? and F? I'm really stuck and going in circles.
Hope my ramble makes sense to someone lol Thank you for any help
 
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Draw the free body diagram. If the crate accelerates at \vec{a} you have

m\vec{g}+\vec{N}+\vec{F_{f}}=m\vec{a},

where \vec{N} is the normal force prependicular to the incline. What is it equal to and why?
 
ok so if i put that all together i get an answer to my original problem of 3971.9N? does that sound right? or am i so far off its not funny?
Thank you :) so confused right now lol
 
SugerQueen said:
ok so if i put that all together i get an answer to my original problem of 3971.9N? does that sound right?

Decompose the vectors in x and y directions, where x is parallel with the incline and y perpendicular to it. Your answer is greater than the weight of the crate. It means that the crate goes up the incline, not down as it should.

Maybe this can help

x-direction: ma=mg\sin \alpha - F_{f}

y-direction: N=mg\cos \alpha
 
So I was way off. :)
I re-did after your last reply and got:
120*3.9=120*9.8*sin30-Ff
468=588-Ff
Ff=120N
N=1,018.45
I'm not sure if this then goes into the u equation but that's what i did:
u=120/1,018.45
u=0.1178
or does the answer above Ff=120N the overall answer to the question?
Sorry to be such a bother but i just can't get my head around this. It's a mind block.
 
SugerQueen said:
or does the answer above Ff=120N the overall answer to the question?

Yes, I got the same result.
 
ok thank you :D for all your help :)
 
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