Calculating H3O+ Concentration Using Buffer Solution

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The discussion revolves around calculating the H3O+ concentration in a buffer solution consisting of HCl and sodium acetate (NaC2H3O2). Participants explore different methods for solving the problem, including the use of ICE tables and the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation, while addressing the challenges encountered in their calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that both HCl and sodium acetate solutions dissociate completely and attempts to calculate the remaining acetate concentration after neutralization.
  • Another participant questions the choice of using an ICE table instead of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation for solving the buffer problem.
  • A participant reflects on their previous experience using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation and considers whether it could be applied in this scenario, suggesting that the acetate ion concentration should account for the concentration of HCl.
  • One participant confirms that the approach of using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation is correct but notes a previous question that may have influenced the choice of method.
  • A later reply shares a related problem involving NaNO2 and HNO2, indicating confusion over the pH calculation and discrepancies in the Ka values provided by different sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the appropriate method for solving the buffer problem, with some favoring the ICE table approach and others advocating for the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific Ka values and their applicability, noting discrepancies between textbook values and those found online, which may affect calculations. There is also mention of previous questions that may have influenced their current approaches.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying buffer solutions, particularly those grappling with the application of different equations in acid-base chemistry.

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Homework Statement



What is the H3O+ concentration with the following scenario

5.3e-2M HCl and 7.70e-2 M NaC2H3O2

Homework Equations



Kw = Kb(Ka) ICE tables

The Attempt at a Solution



Both solutions 100% dissociation

The HCl should be fully neutralized giving 7.70e-2 - 5.3e-2 = 0.024M of the acetate left. Knowing the Kb of acetic acid is 5.56e-10 I set up an ICE table (5.56e-10*0.024)1/2 to find [OH-] to be 0.0000037. Convert that to what H+ concentration by taking 1e-14/0.0000037 = 3e-9. This answer is wrong. Could somebody point out where I went wrong.
 
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The problem is I used the HH equation in my last question and failed. Should I just use the HH equation with the acetic ion concentration being the concentration of HCl and the acetate ion concentration is just the original concentration subtract HCl concentration?
 
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That's the correct approach here.

What was the previous question? I guess there was a reason why HH was not applicable.

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Thanks for your help just solved this question.

The previous question was 0.1 M NaNO2 and 0.05 HNO2. The Ka was 4e-4. I kept on getting 3.70 to be the pH which meant [H+] was 0.0002 but the answer was 3.6e-4.

EDIT. Masteringchemistry wanted we to assume their Ka value in their textbook which was twice as big of a value everywhere else on the internet grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
 
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