Calculating Inverse z-Transform for X(z) = z/(z-0.2)^2(z+0.1)

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse z-transform of the function X(z) = z/(z-0.2)^2(z+0.1). Participants explore various methods, including partial fraction decomposition, and express uncertainty regarding the correctness of their approaches. The conversation also touches on the implications of the order of the numerator and denominator in z-transforms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method using partial fractions to express X(z) and derives a corresponding time-domain expression.
  • Another participant questions the validity of their results and suggests that the coursework may expect a specific strategy.
  • A different participant notes the difficulty in inverting the double pole at z = 0.2 and proposes a reformulation of the expression to facilitate the inverse transformation.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of the order of the numerator and denominator in z-transforms, with some expressing uncertainty about whether certain methods can be applied when the numerator's order is equal to or greater than that of the denominator.
  • One participant references external material regarding the treatment of cases where the order of the numerator is not less than that of the denominator, highlighting specific conditions related to the initial value of the sequence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of certain methods based on the order of the numerator and denominator. There is no consensus on the correctness of the various approaches presented, and multiple competing views remain regarding the best method to find the inverse z-transform.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the order of the numerator and denominator affects the methods used for inverse z-transforms, and there are unresolved questions about the applicability of certain techniques in specific cases.

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Homework Statement


Find inverse z-transform of
X(z) = \frac{z}{(z-0.2)^2(z+0.1)}

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution

: partial fraction
My method :\frac{X(z)}{z} = \frac{1}{(z-0.2)^2(z+0.1)}
\frac{X(z)}{z} = \frac{-100/9}{(z-0.2)} + \frac{10/3}{(z-0.2)^2} + \frac{100/9}{z+0.1}
X(z) = \frac{(-100/9)z}{z-0.2}+\frac{(10/3)z}{(z-0.2)^2}+\frac{(100/9)z}{z+0.1}
X(z) = \frac{(-100/9)}{1-0.2z^-1}+\frac{(10/3)}{(1-0.2z^-1)^-2}+\frac{(100/9)}{1+0.1z^-1}
→ x[nT]=(-100/9)0.2^n+(50/3)n.0.2^n+(100/9)(-0.1)^n

My friend :
Y(z)=\frac{4}{z-0.2} + \frac{6z}{(z-0.2)^2} + \frac{-2}{z+0.1}
Y(z)=\frac{4z^-1}{1-0.2z^-1} + \frac{6z^-1}{(1-0.2z^-1)^2} + \frac{-2z^-1}{1+0.1z^-1}
→ y[nT]=-4.(0.2)^n.u[n-1]+30n.(0.2)^n.u[n]-2.(-0.1)^nu.[n-1]

I don't know which method gives correct result.
 
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On these face of it, it looks like a fourth order polynomial.
I type "z=x(z+.1)(z-.2)(z-.2)" into wolframalpha.com and got something entirely different.
I suspect the course work is expecting a particular strategy.
 
ongxom said:

The Attempt at a Solution

: partial fraction
My method :\frac{X(z)}{z} = \frac{1}{(z-0.2)^2(z+0.1)}
\frac{X(z)}{z} = \frac{-100/9}{(z-0.2)} + \frac{10/3}{(z-0.2)^2} + \frac{100/9}{z+0.1}
X(z) = \frac{(-100/9)z}{z-0.2}+\frac{(10/3)z}{(z-0.2)^2}+\frac{(100/9)z}{z+0.1}


Assuming your X(z) partial fraction expansion is correct to this point, the difficulty seems to be to invert the double pole at z = 0.2.

I rewrote

\frac{z}{(z-0.2)^2} = z-1/(1 - 2az-1 + a2z-2) with a = 0.2.

Then I got wolfram alpha to give me x[n] = na(n-1)u[n-1].

Maybe you can fit this in with the rest which should be conventional inverse transformations.
 
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This is the instruction from the book :
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But it does not say if this method can be applied for the fraction which has the order of numerator is equal or larger than denominator.

Can I use the above method to find z-inverse of following fraction (order of numerator is larger and/or equal)

X(z)=\frac{4-z^{-1}}{2-2z^{-1}+z^{-2}}
X(z)=\frac{2+z^{-1}+z^{-2}}{1+0.4z^{-1}+0.4z^{-2}}
X(z)=\frac{z^{-2}+z^{-1}}{z^{-3}-z^{-2}+2z^{-1}+1}
 
ongxom said:
But it does not say if this method can be applied for the fraction which has the order of numerator is equal or larger than denominator.

That is not the case with your z transform. F(z) = Az/(z-γ)2 has order of denominator > order of numerator.

You can rewrire F(z) = Az-1/(1 - γz-1)2.

I see nothing wrong with your instructions. If your table includes that expression then just follow it!
You seem to have a good z transform table!
 
rude man said:
That is not the case with your z transform. F(z) = Az/(z-γ)2 has order of denominator > order of numerator.

You can rewrire F(z) = Az-1/(1 - γz-1)2.

I see nothing wrong with your instructions. If your table includes that expression then just follow it!
You seem to have a good z transform table!

Yes, the instruction works for the problem in my first post. But i am wondering if it works for the function like this :
X(z)=\frac{4-z^{-1}}{2-2z^{-1}+z^{-2}}

The numerator's lowest order is (-1), the denominator has (-2) as a lowest order. Can I multiply both numerator and denominator with z2 and do the rest using same method ? In the instruction the order is (-6) and (-5) respectively, so I am not sure if I can follow 8 steps for the above function.
 

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